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what caused this?

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:31 pm
by DHalladay
I see this from time to time, but usually not this dramatically. What caused it?
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Re: what caused this?

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:15 pm
by collectinsince65
Now that's cool!

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:18 pm
by iceman
WOW . Dramatic ! WAY COOL !

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:34 pm
by CascadeChris
A manifestation of date hub doubling. Thanks for bringing this up cuz I've always wanted a more detailed explanation of this. Such a unique look to this kind of doubling, especially with wild ones like this. @vampicker @messydesk ?

I affectionately call them "Melted Dates"

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:43 pm
by colwillys
Could have been loose die ... Look like icing on the stars .. Great coin , you have to love thing like that . WOW

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:06 pm
by jgrinz
Now that is c00l …

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:54 pm
by vampicker
I've thought of this as two forms of mechanical damage doubling interacting - a little shear from a loose die during strike and then it gets pushed more at ejection

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:01 pm
by VamHelsing
Trolls... :lol:

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:44 pm
by LateDateMorganGuy
Definitely looks like something "slid" during the coining process.

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:21 pm
by CascadeChris
vampicker wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:54 pm
I've thought of this as two forms of mechanical damage doubling interacting - a little shear from a loose die during strike and then it gets pushed more at ejection
I used to think that too, some sort of severe MD but I started seeing multiple examples of same obv's plus Leroy lists it as die markers sometimes doesn't he?

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:49 pm
by raynat3
Reminds me of that double struck picture a while back. I suppose strike doubling and double struck are cousins.

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:59 pm
by vamnuke
8-)

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:16 pm
by alefzero
My fault. Sorry about that.

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:12 am
by HawkeEye
I think a good one for JB or Roger to answer.

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:54 pm
by RogerB
Another possibility, and I think greater than any doubling of die features, is a loose die stake in the large press. This is an extreme version of a "loose die" where a die is not firmly set in the press. In this instance, only the upper (obverse) die could move enough to create the effects shown. Analysis requires examination of multiple coins from the same year and mint to separate possible mechanical causes.

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:35 pm
by Geseas
If I had to guess, from just that one photo, using a Galaxy 4: It could be a jeweler with some fine silver soldering tools and skills. I have even made simular shapes in my soldering attempts on a circuit board.

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:17 am
by CascadeChris
Geseas wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:35 pm
If I had to guess, from just that one photo, using a Galaxy 4: It could be a jeweler with some fine silver soldering tools and skills. I have even made simular shapes in my soldering attempts on a circuit.
It's nothing like that. This is a somewhat common manifestation seen with regularity.

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:24 am
by Geseas
Thank you CascadeChris, very unusual.

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:50 am
by Tennessee
Nice, beautiful Morgan. That's a fancy date. 🌟🌟🌟

Re: what caused this?

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:08 am
by bhinkle
What ever caused it Dennis, I had to copy your photo and save it.
VERY UNIQUE
Thank you for posting a photo of it.
Bert