1921-P VAM, Mint error, of what? Need expert opinion on unusual die gouge, or error

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1921-P VAM, Mint error, of what? Need expert opinion on unusual die gouge, or error

Post by Truthmatters » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:40 pm

1921-P VAM, Mint error, of what? Need expert opinion on unusual die gouge, or error.
I just picked this 1921 Morgan mostly because of the most unusual Obv gouge. I have searched VW high and low to find anything with a gouge or chip but cannot even come close to identifying this variety if it is a variety at all. Thinking it may be just an mint error or even a fake. With the vast experience here in the Vam World I'm thinking surely someone has seen and knows what this is. On the obv, just to the right of the neck "v", above the first one in date, there is a quite obvious gouge of some sort. I have attached pictures of both sides. These pic's have come from the auction site. I have not received the coin yet but can attach more pictures if needed to further analyze what this may be.
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1921 Obverse
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1921 Reverse
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Close up
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Chip in hair
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This forth pic is a crop of what appears to be a broken chip from the die and where it may have come from, if this is at all possible.
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DHalladay
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Re: 1921-P VAM, Mint error, of what? Need expert opinion on unusual die gouge, or error

Post by DHalladay » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:50 pm

Just looks like a big edge nick to me.
D2 reverse variety, by the way.
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Re: 1921-P VAM, Mint error, of what? Need expert opinion on unusual die gouge, or error

Post by Kissov » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:56 pm

The light and shadow suggest a raised feature (compare to date numerals) but hard to tell.

Is the third photo an enlargement of the first photo or a separate (and higher magnification) photo?

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Re: 1921-P VAM, Mint error, of what? Need expert opinion on unusual die gouge, or error

Post by Truthmatters » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:08 pm

The third is a crop of the first photo. To me it looks raised and a continuation from the hair, yet the beveled line from the "v" to the engravers initial seem to be UN-effected, almost like it was in the die when struck

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Re: 1921-P VAM, Mint error, of what? Need expert opinion on unusual die gouge, or error

Post by vampicker » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:52 pm

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Re: 1921-P VAM, Mint error, of what? Need expert opinion on unusual die gouge, or error

Post by Truthmatters » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:25 pm

Thanks to all for you thoughts and expert eval. If it's anything other than bag marks I will re-post with better pictures

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