1878-S thee dot above "B" in RIB.
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1878-S thee dot above "B" in RIB.
This hole above the B does not seam to have any distal ejecta, for
lack of a better term. The next two photos of different coins show the displacement of materal
. Could that mean the "Dot" happened pre-circluation? Thank you for your time.
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Re: 1878-S thee dot above "B" in RIB.
When "poke with a stick" goes horribly wrong
Kidding aside, looks like PMD. You can see where the metal was pushed up from a sharp pointed object hitting it with a modicum of force at an angle in the first pic.

Kidding aside, looks like PMD. You can see where the metal was pushed up from a sharp pointed object hitting it with a modicum of force at an angle in the first pic.
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Re: 1878-S thee dot above "B" in RIB.
...here is another photo attempt.
I will have to
wait for the Sun tomorrow for that special photo to maybe show there is no pushed up materal. I need photo equipment like you guys have to take those beautiful photos, with no doubts. Thank you CascadeChris.
I will have to
wait for the Sun tomorrow for that special photo to maybe show there is no pushed up materal. I need photo equipment like you guys have to take those beautiful photos, with no doubts. Thank you CascadeChris.
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Re: 1878-S thee dot above "B" in RIB.
IMO it is post mint damage. If not post mint damage, it could only be a strike thru of some sort, but that is a long shot.
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Re: 1878-S thee dot above "B" in RIB.
All pictures show damage.
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Re: 1878-S thee dot above "B" in RIB.
Thanks all!
....if i could just twist the light just right..
Please note in the photo above a crack in what
I am calling, thee dot.
This next screen shot is of a 1878-S on Vamworld.http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... 63-1-4.jpg
I noted what seems to be "thee dot" now taking a rest on the top of the "B". (Left side of white arrow)
It seems to be a little larger in size, simular shape, with same orientation in relationship to the "B", just lower on the y axis then my coin. I will try to illustrate with a photo here.
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I believe it is hard to understand what maybe happening under the surface of a hard working die under extreme pressures.. Migrations of hardness, kind of like the rock surfacing in a farmers repeatedly tilled field may be a factor....
A little wrinkle in that imagery of a farmers metallurgical fields ....It now seems my coin maybe a EDS of the Vamworlds pictured 1878-S Vam 81. Here is a screenshot of my coin and then a screenshot from Vamworld (Tim Barry):http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... 63-1-6.jpg
I believe I see the leaf tip and leaf upper edge partly missing when comparing the two photos, may establish a direction of coin progression. In otherwords thee dot is falling on that y axis as coins are made, not rising, as I first thought. This changes everything in my view.
More photos of a 1878-S VAM 81 would be fun...Thank you all for providing this wonderful venue for expression! My miss guided pursuit can still be a knowledge pursuit, I hope. I know it's still fun...
....if i could just twist the light just right..
Please note in the photo above a crack in what
I am calling, thee dot.
This next screen shot is of a 1878-S on Vamworld.http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... 63-1-4.jpg
I noted what seems to be "thee dot" now taking a rest on the top of the "B". (Left side of white arrow)
It seems to be a little larger in size, simular shape, with same orientation in relationship to the "B", just lower on the y axis then my coin. I will try to illustrate with a photo here.
Wonderful mysteries!
I believe it is hard to understand what maybe happening under the surface of a hard working die under extreme pressures.. Migrations of hardness, kind of like the rock surfacing in a farmers repeatedly tilled field may be a factor....
A little wrinkle in that imagery of a farmers metallurgical fields ....It now seems my coin maybe a EDS of the Vamworlds pictured 1878-S Vam 81. Here is a screenshot of my coin and then a screenshot from Vamworld (Tim Barry):http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... 63-1-6.jpg
I believe I see the leaf tip and leaf upper edge partly missing when comparing the two photos, may establish a direction of coin progression. In otherwords thee dot is falling on that y axis as coins are made, not rising, as I first thought. This changes everything in my view.
More photos of a 1878-S VAM 81 would be fun...Thank you all for providing this wonderful venue for expression! My miss guided pursuit can still be a knowledge pursuit, I hope. I know it's still fun...
Last edited by Geseas on Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:53 pm, edited 37 times in total.
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Re: 1878-S thee dot above "B" in RIB.
Thank you all for your help and patience on my learning curve. I am aware of my protocol mistake mentioned below and I think we fixed it.
Update:
I know we fixed it! I bought the coin in question on Ebay. I saw something in Ebay photos that proved to be there, or not there. Here is a Ebay screenshot of what I thought I saw.
Photo was shot through plastic by Classic Coins: this next photo is the purchased coin, out of its holder, photographed with usb microscope:
Update:
I know we fixed it! I bought the coin in question on Ebay. I saw something in Ebay photos that proved to be there, or not there. Here is a Ebay screenshot of what I thought I saw.
Photo was shot through plastic by Classic Coins: this next photo is the purchased coin, out of its holder, photographed with usb microscope:
Last edited by Geseas on Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:01 pm, edited 15 times in total.
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Re: 1878-S thee dot above "B" in RIB.
There's a protocol issue you may not be aware of here. It is frowned upon to post pictures of stuff that is currently in a live auction on the discussion board, as it may (1) be construed as advertising your own sales, which belongs on the BST board, or (2) interfere with an auction by tipping off people to a variety someone else has already spotted.
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Re: 1878-S thee dot above "B" in RIB.
thank you for your insight. What a interesting area of collecting.lioncutter wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:52 pmIMO it is post mint damage. If not post mint damage, it could only be a strike thru of some sort, but that is a long shot.
This post altered: 03 2020 no disrespect, just persuit of Knowledge. Thanks for great site! @lioncutter
In the Spirit of that 'long shot' I keep looking at this 1878-S, 'Thee dot above B'. This maybe due to I only own a dozen raw Morgans; so they get inspected regularly.
Here are a few update photo attempts of the area...Again... Please notice what I see as a die crack into the bottom of the divot from the top right of 'B'. How could that happen? A die crack would appear only on a surface of coin.
The edges of divot (circumference of dot)seem very sharp, with no ejecta or evidence of their being any. The dot could have been made electronicly (burnt), but that doesn't explain the crack in the bottom.
I will try to photograph here: Persuit of that better photo is always fun.
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