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1924 VAM-1O? "Die Gouge Between 1 & 9" - Strange Extra CUD-like Device

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:51 am
by HawaiiLight
Pretty sure this is a VAM 1O type (that's an Oh, not zero), but there is no mention of the weird extra material all around the date. There is a VAM 1O2, but it too does not show this extra material... nor do I have the reverse broken wing tip.

So, do I have a VAM 1O3? Would a VF-EF coin even be attributable if submitted?

Here is the relevant VAM World page for the 1924-P:
http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... 924-P_VAMs

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Re: 1924 VAM-1O? "Die Gouge Between 1 & 9" - Strange Extra CUD

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:28 am
by blh74
I don`t see a cud. Maybe PMD or struck through. Strange indeed.

Re: 1924 VAM-1O? "Die Gouge Between 1 & 9" - Strange Extra CUD-like Device

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:09 pm
by VamHelsing
looks like it was cut. IMO

Re: 1924 VAM-1O? "Die Gouge Between 1 & 9" - Strange Extra CUD-like Device

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:20 pm
by HawaiiLight
VamHelsing wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:09 pm
looks like it was cut. IMO
Could you elaborate? Do you mean the die was "cut"? I apologize for my ignorance!
You can definitely feel the protrusion of the material above the field, with no gouging left behind.

Re: 1924 VAM-1O? "Die Gouge Between 1 & 9" - Strange Extra CUD-like Device

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:29 pm
by VamHelsing
Sure, Someone cut it with a knife or something after it left the mint. PMD or Post Mint Damage

Re: 1924 VAM-1O? "Die Gouge Between 1 & 9" - Strange Extra CUD-like Device

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:47 pm
by jrfaust
Yup, she's a 1O for sure.....not seeing the die break on reverse. Nice find!

Re: 1924 VAM-1O? "Die Gouge Between 1 & 9" - Strange Extra CUD-like Device

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:27 pm
by HawaiiLight
jrfaust wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:47 pm
Yup, she's a 1O for sure.....not seeing the die break on reverse. Nice find!
Thanks! I'm trying to rely on others as little as possible, but this one just confused me. So is it an 1O or possibly an 1O3?

Re: 1924 VAM-1O? "Die Gouge Between 1 & 9" - Strange Extra CUD-like Device

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:28 pm
by HawaiiLight
VamHelsing wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:29 pm
Sure, Someone cut it with a knife or something after it left the mint. PMD or Post Mint Damage
PMD was my first thought too... but if it was cut, where did the raised material come from? There is no corresponding gouge along the protrusions...

Re: 1924 VAM-1O? "Die Gouge Between 1 & 9" - Strange Extra CUD-like Device

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:51 pm
by VamHelsing
You can see the "valley" where the metal was pushed. At least I can.

Re: 1924 VAM-1O? "Die Gouge Between 1 & 9" - Strange Extra CUD-like Device

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:55 pm
by HawaiiLight
Ok, I think I see what you are saying now... going to shoot it again from a couple of angles!