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Neat 79p Error... S/T?

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:09 pm
by CascadeChris
This just came in in a lot of junk dollars. Looks like someone assumed it was a VF due to the weak obverse strike and black irridecence. But as you can see the reverse is fully struck BU. And the reeding is full and deep. The surfaces, though, are sexy, creamy and near PL. Thought I'd show it off and get confirmation, or a different view, on my analysis. Thanks!

I'm really loving the surfaces and overall "look" of this one.
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Re: Neat 78p Error... S/T?

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:10 pm
by CascadeChris
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Re: Neat 79p Error... S/T?

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:44 pm
by vamsterdam
the denticles made me think proof! I found a 1866 5c 1866/1866 sold as a f-vf. au all day long. weakly struck in center of the shield. yours is weak thoughout the portrait and I am not sure why. reverse is gorgeous. the obverse looks heavily worn--but not.

Re: Neat 79p Error... S/T?

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:36 pm
by CascadeChris
vamsterdam wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:44 pm
the denticles made me think proof!
I didn't want to go there but that's the very first thing I thought when I saw it too. An impaired proof. I mean, the rims are more crisp and squared than any BS I can remember plus every single device -that isn't effected by the strike-thru- is full, strong, crisp and bold on both sides too. Every letter, star, leaf vein etc. It just screamed possible proof to me so I louped the hair but the v31 markers weren't there. I haven't attributed her yet though.

Re: Neat 79p Error... S/T?

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:08 am
by DHalladay
I'm thinking just a really poor central strike... or maybe a grease issue?

Re: Neat 79p Error... S/T?

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:17 am
by vampicker
That can not be a proof 1879 dollar. The reverse is simply wrong.

Re: Neat 79p Error... S/T?

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:05 am
by CascadeChris
vampicker wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:17 am
That can not be a proof 1879 dollar. The reverse is simply wrong.
Whatcha mean by that JR? And just for the record I only thought it could be a proof at first glance for only about a second or two. But damned if it's not both wickedly hammered AND weakly struck. Cool piece simply for that odd dichotomy imo. Just got the new insider special email for 10 coins / $60 so you'll probably get to see it soon.

Re: Neat 79p Error... S/T?

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:57 am
by vampicker
The 79 proof has the 78 VAM 215 reverse - a C2 hub die. This was also used for all of the 1880 proofs.

Re: Neat 79p Error... S/T?

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:42 am
by messydesk
Also the lump on the D in DOLLAR isn't present.

Re: Neat 79p Error... S/T?

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:08 pm
by vamsterdam
I did not say it was a proof! I only saw the denticles and how sharp and deep they were and it made me think of a proof. it is OBVIOUSLY NOT a proof. neither the obverse or reverse is from the proof dies. I think I would know proof dies well enough. I have handled quite a few of them.

Re: Neat 79p Error... S/T?

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:35 pm
by vampicker
Calm down, no one said you did, just pointing out that it can't be a proof.

Re: Neat 79p Error... S/T?

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:54 pm
by crabscrape
Yep! Not a proof. As JR said, just calm down (vamsterdam) everything will be alright. Remember the Ray over the mountain? Chris! just stop throwing them curve balls. Still all in all them coins make you think.

Re: Neat 79p Error... S/T?

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:58 pm
by CascadeChris
I think it was the way I worded my initial response above guys. I apologize to VD. Neither of us thought it was a proof. Just commenting on how "proofy" it appears.

She really does have quite the unique look to her though.

Re: Neat 79p Error... S/T?

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:56 am
by blh74
PROOFY.... I like that