1901-P Conundrum

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1901-P Conundrum

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:38 am

So I have a 1901-P coin in AU55. It is a normal date, albeit far left within normal. The reverse is a C4. As far as I can tell, it is unlisted.

The obverse is plain-jane with no discernable listable markers. But the reverse has two PUPs that could be used as die markers as shown below.

Does anyone recognize this die pair?
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Re: 1901-P Conundrum

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:35 pm

Okay, so the plot gets thicker.

The reverse die is shared with the VAM-19. I had the VAM-19 DC but sold it since there was a lot of $ tied up in it.

Below is the obverse slab with the DC designation, followed by a LFCP of the obverse, then a LFCP of the reverse. Note the die gouge at "N" of ONE on both. The reverse was used first on the die pair shown above, then was paired with a different obverse to create the VAM-19. The gouge at the second "L" of DOLLAR is weaker from die wear.

Then I show a few letters of UNITED on the VNA to show the doubling listed for the VAM-19.

Die studies folks, die studies.
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Re: 1901-P Conundrum

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:45 pm

Here is the slabbed coin obverse of the VAM-19 DC.

Note that the date placement of the VNA is far left within normal, while that of the VAM-19 obverse is centered within normal.
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Re: 1901-P Conundrum

Post by Mhomei » Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:13 pm

Nice pictures
I think I will look for a later die state specimen

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Re: 1901-P Conundrum

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:38 pm

Which coin Mitch, the VAM-19 or VNA?

The VAM-19 is fairly common. The VNA is not.

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Re: 1901-P Conundrum

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:41 pm

By the way, for you die classification guys, the VNA could fit nicely into the VAM-2 :idea:

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Re: 1901-P Conundrum

Post by Mhomei » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:59 pm

The VNA

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Re: 1901-P Conundrum

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:34 pm

Hopefully it won't take too long.

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Re: 1901-P Conundrum

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:43 am

So, if anyone has a 01-P V19 in AU or above, and is willing to send me the coin, or the coin to Leroy in tandem with the one with the "far left within normal" date placement that I show above, let me know. Maybe an EF would work.

We can jointly get a new die pair listed.

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