Peeling Lamination - Not gradeable?

[Windycity]

Submitted this to PCGS knowing it had peeling lamination but assuming is was a faulty planchet and therefore a mint error. PCGS would not holder the coin due to "Peeling Lamination". Mint error? Post Mint Damage?

[Kissov]

From PCGS:

Coins with a peeling lamination cannot be holdered, as in the process of sonic sealing, it is very possible for the lamination to become detached from the coin. A lamination is a planchet defect originating when a portion of the coin metal separates from itself due to impurities or internal stresses. Lamination flaws occur primarily when foreign materials or gas oxide become trapped within the planchet.

[TheYokel]

Sure they will.

Depends on if they think it's a worthwhile example and worth the risk of encapsulation.

Might have to fight for it and call them up while the order is in their facility and give permission for them to do it, but I can say with 100% certainty that they've done it before...

[LateDateMorganGuy]

Can't help but sounds like Kissov has the answer. But I have always wondered how this one never fell off. It is in PCGS plastic as a "planchet error".

[TheYokel]

Trust me, they will straight grade the right one...

[collectinsince65]

Very nice guys!

[CascadeChris]

If they think the peel is at a point where it has a decent likelyhood of flaking off in the holder they will body bag it. If they think it's still attached well, they'll slab it. It's a judgment call..

[Kissov]

If they think the peel is at a point where it has a decent likelyhood of flaking off in the holder they will body bag it. If they think it's still attached well, they'll slab it. It's a judgment call..

Right.

I think the key is the word "peeling", which implies high potential to be displaced.

[TheYokel]

If they think the peel is at a point where it has a decent likelyhood of flaking off in the holder they will body bag it. If they think it's still attached well, they'll slab it. It's a judgment call..

Right.

I think the key is the word "peeling", which implies high potential to be displaced.

Negative.

They will slab both pieces as long as they can 100% tell it's from the same planchet.

It's just a "coolness" call when they do it. They won't do one that they feel isn't worth the case...
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[Kissov]

So in the case of the cent, did PCGS cause the separation or were the separate pieces submitted?

It seems like the PCGS policy implies that they can use their discretion in deciding whether to certify or body bag a particular piece.

[TheYokel]

So in the case of the cent, did PCGS cause the separation or were the separate pieces submitted?

It seems like the PCGS policy implies that they can use their discretion in deciding whether to certify or body bag a particular piece.

Separate pieces.

Their discretion: 100%... and I've seen coins sent 5 times before they were slabbed. Some submitters fight hard for graded error labels. PCGS is weird...

[CascadeChris]

If they think the peel is at a point where it has a decent likelyhood of flaking off in the holder they will body bag it. If they think it's still attached well, they'll slab it. It's a judgment call..

Right.

I think the key is the word "peeling", which implies high potential to be displaced.

Negative.

They will slab both pieces as long as they can 100% tell it's from the same planchet.

It's just a "coolness" call when they do it. They won't do one that they feel isn't worth the case...
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Negative what?

Also, negative to you. Yes, they have to be able to tell that they're from the same coin. But that is hardly ever an issue as each piece is highly unique to one another like a puzzle piece..

The biggest factor to them slabbing both the coin and a fully detached piece together is whether or not they have a gasket size that can securely fit and hold each piece in the slab. I'm in Vegas Ant. Dont make me come over there and beat you over the head with the E from the Encore building sign!

[TheYokel]

Right.

I think the key is the word "peeling", which implies high potential to be displaced.

Negative.

They will slab both pieces as long as they can 100% tell it's from the same planchet.

It's just a "coolness" call when they do it. They won't do one that they feel isn't worth the case...
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Negative what?

Also, negative to you. Yes, they have to be able to tell that they're from the same coin. But that is hardly ever an issue as each piece is highly unique to one another like a puzzle piece..

The biggest factor to them slabbing both the coin and a fully detached piece together is whether or not they have a gasket size that can securely fit and hold each piece in the slab. I'm in Vegas Ant. Dont make me come over there and beat you over the head with the E from the Encore building sign!

Nah, they'll pinch the piece in the gasket or let it just go floppy in the slab if they like it. Nothing to do with the gasket/case. Everything to do with the coin at hand...

And i normally stay at the Cromwell... How long you in town?
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[CascadeChris]

That's an extraordinary case. My guess is someone had some pull to get that piece wedged into the side of a gasket like that

[vamsterdam]

It also depends if you want to pay the extra $55 for the error tier.