1878 S missing nostril?

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bhinkle
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1878 S missing nostril?

Post by bhinkle » Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:47 pm

I have this 1878 S PCGSMS63, that looks like part of the nostril
is missing.
I have looked at the vams 22, 1G, 96 and 78
No heavy polishing lines thru LIB in LIBERTY.
No short gouge right side of cotton boll.
No vertical polishing line at left side of right 8.
No lines on Eagles left wing.
No RIB doubling.
The mint mark is not set left.
I think I see doubling on the lower inside ear.
I see some interesting things on the ERTY, in LIBERTY.
The only clashing I see, is on the upper inside of the left wreath.
I see a number of polish lines on both the obv and rev.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, Bert
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1878 S PCGSMS63 OBV.jpg
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1878 S PCGSMS63 NOSE.jpg
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1878 S PCGSMS63 LIBE.jpg
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1878 S PCGSMS63 ERTY.jpg
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bhinkle
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Re: 1878 S missing nostril?

Post by bhinkle » Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:51 pm

More pics
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1878 S PCGSMS63 EAR.jpg
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1878 S PCGSMS63 INITIAL.jpg
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1878 S PCGSMS63 18.jpg
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1878 S PCGSMS63 78.jpg
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bhinkle
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Re: 1878 S missing nostril?

Post by bhinkle » Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:58 pm

More pics
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1878 S PCGSMS63 Rt WING.jpg
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1878 S PCGSMS63 CAP LINES.jpg
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1878 S PCGSMS63 Lt WREATH.jpg
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1878 S PCGSMS63 BOW.jpg
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1878 S PCGSMS63 ARROWS LINES.jpg
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tbconcrete
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Re: 1878 S missing nostril?

Post by tbconcrete » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:27 pm

Very nice pictures as always Bert. Try VAM 8 or 8A

bhinkle
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Re: 1878 S missing nostril?

Post by bhinkle » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:34 pm

Thanks Tim,
i think I see the tiny die chip below Phrygian cap fold and the curved die scratch
in front of forehead and horizontal die scratch between ends of lower two cotton
leaves.
I think I see engraved patch in middle of eagle’s right wing
What about, what looks like a partially missing nostril and the ERTY, in LIBERTY?
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bhinkle
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Re: 1878 S missing nostril?

Post by bhinkle » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:37 pm

more pics
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tbconcrete
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Re: 1878 S missing nostril?

Post by tbconcrete » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:41 pm

There was a clash event and polishing took place. Somewhere out there is a clashed VAM 8. I been looking for one for years.

bhinkle
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Re: 1878 S missing nostril?

Post by bhinkle » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:31 am

I'm not sure how I see die markers and vams, to find anything.
I wasn't paying attention, on witch side the E was on with the tiny die chip.
Here is the E on the rev and the die chip. DUH!
Here is a pic of the nose, from the vam 8 page and then a pic of the nose, on my 1878 S.
Here is a picture of LIBERTY, from the vam 8 page and then pics of LIBERTY, on my 1878S.
Would that make any difference?
After all of the polishing, on this vam 8,the only place, that I can see a clash, is on the
of the left wreath.
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1878 S PCGSMS63 LIBERTY.jpg
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1878_S_VAM8_LIBERTY 2.jpg
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1878 S PCGSMS63 NOSE.jpg
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1878-S_VAM-8_die 1 NOSE.jpg
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1878 S PCGSMS63 E REV.jpg
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bhinkle
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Re: 1878 S missing nostril?

Post by bhinkle » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:34 am

More Pics
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1878 S PCGSMS63 WREATH CLASH.jpg
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1878 S PCGSMS63 CAP BACK.jpg
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1878 S PCGSMS63 ERTY LINES.jpg
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bhinkle
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Re: 1878 S missing nostril?

Post by bhinkle » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:01 pm

Does this 1878 S look like a vam 8?
Does the vam 8 have a partially missing nostril and the lines running through LIBERTY.?
Any help would be greatly appreciated, Bert

bhinkle
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Re: 1878 S missing nostril?

Post by bhinkle » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:27 pm

Thank you for the PM Tim,
After looking at the correct E and the tiny die chip and now finally seeing the rusted die lines, on the right wing and the engraved wing feather and Tim's information, I see I have a vam 8A.
Thanks, Bert
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neals384
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Re: 1878 S missing nostril?

Post by neals384 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:07 pm

I have one too. 78-S with a missing nostril.
1878SVAM8.103Nose.jpg
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Attributed by VSS as a VAM 8. It's die 1 as is also has the forehead scratch.
1878SVAM8.116Forehead.jpg
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