Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by vamsterdam » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:10 am

Wow, I missed a good one! Good eyes!

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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by vamnuke » Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:36 am

Credit goes too JR. I learned a valuable lesson that I apply at work, "validate assumptions" but am curious about this obverse die, and why it did not rear itself anywhere else. I will wait to hear back from Longnock on his trio of 1i coins; only 7 total in the SSDC registry. I plan to pull my V59 and V18A out of the box to make the trip to OH with this mystery coin.

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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by vamnuke » Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:42 am

Another photo that was requested.
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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by CascadeChris » Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:44 am

I'm wondering if any of the "known" 1i's are actually not now 🤔
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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by ljs123 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:25 am

vamnuke wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:36 am
Credit goes too JR. I learned a valuable lesson that I apply at work, "validate assumptions" but am curious about this obverse die, and why it did not rear itself anywhere else. I will wait to hear back from Longnock on his trio of 1i coins; only 7 total in the SSDC registry. I plan to pull my V59 and V18A out of the box to make the trip to OH with this mystery coin.
Just wondering if any other 78-Ss have a polished nose like your obverse besides the 1D2?

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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by vamnuke » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:00 am

22/77/111 come to mind

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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by 78-sLongnock » Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:45 pm

The actual progression is Vam 111, Vam 22 EDS, MDS, & LDS then Vam 77.

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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by vamnuke » Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:43 am

Package is headed to LVA tomorrow; Longnock’s 3 are all the normal 1i, and from the photo posted for another set in the SSDC registry, it too is the normal 1i; I have no doubt the discovery 1i is anything else. I will keep the group posted when I hear back.

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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by vamnuke » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:51 am

Back from LVA; since the coin is only VG, needs to see better grade coin with more detail; thus, it will not be listed, so I have a unique no-VAM. Maybe someday someone will find a better example that will list. :|

On a bright note, listings for V63, 71 & 81 to be updated.

V63 die 1 obverse shared with V81
V63 die 2 obverse shared with V71

Also, his update to the 78-S attribution guide is still a work in progress with more work to do.

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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by vampicker » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:48 pm

Hopefully he at least made a note of the clearly unlisted die.

Just go find another dollar with the VAM 1i reverse and an obverse not noted. Maddening or inspiring depending on how you look at this hobby.
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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by vamnuke » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:24 pm

:(

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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by vampicker » Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:44 pm

Have another example of this marriage on my desk today. Even lower grade than Clay's coin, but it's still the mystery obverse die without question.
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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by messydesk » Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:56 pm

One of the reasons Leroy doesn't want to list low grades is that it is difficult to differentiate from what's on the die and what happened to the coin. Given two low-grade coins unquestionably of the same die pair, that no longer is much of an issue, and perhaps he'd list it if presented with both coins.
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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by crabscrape » Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:26 pm

JR, You are without a doubt a man of integrity! I commend you! I hope the future of Vams has you at the top of its list!! Keep it straight and strong!!

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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by vampicker » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:37 pm

Seems like this has 184 reeds but a couple are mashed. Lined it up with a VAM 18 in the same order and got a good match for the reed count too.
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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by vamnuke » Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:02 am

That may be the one Pete (longneck) talked about at 2020 FUN in the lobby. He missed out on eBay to another bidder. I found the coin and yeah it was worse. Looks like it surfaced. I now have a nice 1i, and and no example when I made my 2019 submittal. Do think he would reconsider? Fun fact the discovery 1i is a low grade.

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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by vamnuke » Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:04 am

‘m’ on obv is way over polished on mystery coin, more so than either V18A or V1i for that matter, almost to extent of v17, so another good marker

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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by vamnuke » Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:44 am

vamnuke wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:02 am
That may be the one Pete (longnock) talked about at 2020 FUN in the lobby. He missed out on eBay to another bidder. I found the coin and yeah it was worse. Looks like it surfaced. I now have a nice 1i, and and no example when I made my 2019 submittal. Do think he would reconsider? Fun fact the discovery 1i is a low grade.

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Re: Possible new 1878-S die marriage!?

Post by vamnuke » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:11 am

So, the truth of the matter, somebody (me hopefully :roll: )needs to find an example with less wear than the two lowballs out there, and so the quest is on for that obverse!

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