1887p vam 13a

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1887p vam 13a

Post by Cwwallis » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:51 pm

Such a nice vam and sadly not worth much

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Re: 1887p vam 13a

Post by messydesk » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:38 pm

It's rather common. Good if you want to find one, not so much if you want to profit from it.
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Re: 1887p vam 13a

Post by TheYokel » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:36 am

Cwwallis wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:51 pm
Such a nice vam and sadly not worth much
Not entirely sad... It makes it cheaper to get a really nice one. And you want really nice ones to see the clashes well.

There's some really cool clashers you can pick up for under list price.

Collect what you like.
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Re: 1887p vam 13a

Post by RMG1883CC » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:53 am

Find the set — 13 & 13A in MS condition

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Re: 1887p vam 13a

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:03 am

Having studied the V13 in detail years ago, it is my opinion that the V13A listing was dubious at best when it happened. What I mean is that if any letter transfer occurred, it is as weak as mush and not worthy of being in a collection as an example of clashed letter transfer. I would suggest folks spend their time, energy, and money on real clashed coins with real letter transfer. But that is just the curmudgeon talking.

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Re: 1887p vam 13a

Post by TheYokel » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:26 am

LateDateMorganGuy wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:03 am
Having studied the V13 in detail years ago, it is my opinion that the V13A listing was dubious at best when it happened. What I mean is that if any letter transfer occurred, it is as weak as mush and not worthy of being in a collection as an example of clashed letter transfer. I would suggest folks spend their time, energy, and money on real clashed coins with real letter transfer. But that is just the curmudgeon talking.
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Re: 1887p vam 13a

Post by impairedsquirrel » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:07 am

This post is mostly in jest because peeps can and should collect whatever they want, but to Alan’s point...
Ant, pack up your 13a “EDS” and take to visit the 80p v32a, the 78p v41c, the 02o v31a and the 85p v4a pages, then ask your 13a how it feels about itself... all of the VAMs I mention here are pretty common...
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Re: 1887p vam 13a

Post by TheYokel » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:21 pm

impairedsquirrel wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:07 am
This post is mostly in jest because peeps can and should collect whatever they want, but to Alan’s point...
Ant, pack up your 13a “EDS” and take to visit the 80p v32a, the 78p v41c, the 02o v31a and the 85p v4a pages, then ask your 13a how it feels about itself... all of the VAMs I mention here are pretty common...
You forgot the 04-O 28A...

And i really don't care about people's "rankings" on clashes.
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Re: 1887p vam 13a

Post by impairedsquirrel » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:45 pm

I didn’t forget any, I just listed a couple good examples. Alan said the 13a clash is weak on letter transfer and you refuted it by posting a pic that might possibly show a tiny tick of an N... my point was that I agree with Alan, there are way cooler VAMs that are still plenty common to look for for clashed letter transfer...
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Re: 1887p vam 13a

Post by TheYokel » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:05 pm

impairedsquirrel wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:45 pm
I didn’t forget any, I just listed a couple good examples. Alan said the 13a clash is weak on letter transfer and you refuted it by posting a pic that might possibly show a tiny tick of an N... my point was that I agree with Alan, there are way cooler VAMs that are still plenty common to look for for clashed letter transfer...
Again, and i hate to run the risk of sounding uncouth...

I really don't care what you think of other clashes vs the 13A... And it sounds seriously rude when people tell an OP "spend your money elsewhere". Why do you have any care on how or why someone buys a coin they like?

Alan said the listing was "dubious at best" when the 13A was discovered. I was showing that claim was unmerited.

The 13 series as a whole is a rather fun progression to try and collect. I say try because no one's collected the whole thing yet. We still haven't seen a DS0.

A double-clashed DS5 will have some *serious* clash marks and also almost complete 360-degree die cracks on both the obverse and reverse. Not to mention the bearded/antlered eagle, and the beak clash on Anna's neck. It's a really cool coin to see in-hand. Much cooler than an 02-O 31A, anyways...

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Re: 1887p vam 13a

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:23 pm

For what it is worth, I suggest folks read my posts VERY CAREFULLY. I use my words VERY CAREFULLY.

My post used the word "suggest" I did not use the word "tell".

But I agree, collect coins that you want to. My only "suggestion" was that as far as clashed coins go, there are far more defined and obvious clashed coins with letter transfer for the same money. But this has been said several times now.

Over and Out of this one.

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Re: 1887p vam 13a

Post by impairedsquirrel » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:14 pm

Also my post which started out "This post is mostly in jest because peeps can and should collect whatever they want..."
My point was I can't see anything in either of your pics that I can definitively call a transferred letter, where as the pretty common VAMs I listed all have clear transfer of 3-5 letters (plus reverse M's on some), so if a beginner like yourself or CW (or anyone for that matter) wanted to learn about clashing, there are relatively wicked, yet relatively common options that would serve as much better teachers. Long story short, a couple guys that have been doing this for a while are trying to offer you educational advice...
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Re: 1887p vam 13a

Post by TheYokel » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:54 am

No. One. Cares.

Again, not to sound uncouth. But why do people constantly find it necessary to interject about what they feel other people should find interesting.

OP could be starting a collection of the 13 progression, and you guys could be sh*tting all over the first thing a new person found interesting.

Be positive toward what new members are collecting...

You can offer guidance without suggesting their time is better spent elsewhere...
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Re: 1887p vam 13a

Post by Cwwallis » Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:14 am

I posted this in most part because i aquired at 13a pretty cheap the seller had no clue what it was i vamed in seconds obviously because yall didnt see me post on here lol. But when i vamed it i though i had hit the jack pot we all know how that ended but after reading the proceeding posts i believe i will collect the 13 series it seems pretty interesting

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Re: 1887p vam 13a

Post by Cwwallis » Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:18 am

Heres how i aquired it in a sample slab
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Re: 1887p vam 13a

Post by Cwwallis » Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:24 am

Thank you @impairedsquirrel i appreciate all the advice and wisdon you share with me squri

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Re: 1887p vam 13a

Post by TheYokel » Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:53 am

Cwwallis wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:18 am
Heres how i aquired it in a sample slab
Coin aside...

That would be a cool slab to post in the "unusual holder" thread :)
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