Part 2 of the 1884-CC and 1883-O Branch Mint Suspects

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Part 2 of the 1884-CC and 1883-O Branch Mint Suspects

Post by Chanteezy » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:50 pm

Part 2 guys.. images attached
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Re: Part 2 of the 1884-CC and 1883-O Branch Mint Suspects

Post by messydesk » Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:03 am

Those are simply prooflike business strikes. Too bad about the axe fight that Liberty got into on the 83-O. There are legitimate 83-O branch mint proofs, and the dies were identified as a specific VAM (maybe 19 -- can't remember). There is no confirmation that there are any 84-CC branch mint proofs.
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Re: Part 2 of the 1884-CC and 1883-O Branch Mint Suspects

Post by Mhomei » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:52 am

messy is right
The BMP's for 83 O is the V19
http://www.vamworld.com/1883-O%20VAM-19

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Re: Part 2 of the 1884-CC and 1883-O Branch Mint Suspects

Post by Mhomei » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:24 am

messy is right
The BMP's for 83 O is the V19
http://www.vamworld.com/1883-O%20VAM-19

Your 84cc is probably a http://www.vamworld.com/1884-CC%20VAM-10

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Re: Part 2 of the 1884-CC and 1883-O Branch Mint Suspects

Post by Chanteezy » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:14 pm

Sorry but the pictures do not show well (and I did that on purpose so you guys could see detail and not the mirrors. These coins reflect like a proof does. Also Yes I know that the 83-O is a VAM-19 and this has all the VAM-19 bits. The slightly doubled crossbar in the 1 in 1883, the slightly doubled and the 3rd 8 has a dash below it. The ear has the polished die lines and on the reverse the lower part of the O possesses the same lines.
Wayne Miller in his textbook of peace and Morgan dollars on page 223 states that the 83-O proof doesn’t possess the exact same mirrors as other Phili proofs, but says that this particular one has more silvery mirrored fields. He also laments about the slash above the eagles head on his coins and makes a hypothesis that all 83-o proofs have one but obviously that’s proven false as the Eliasberg 83-O doesn’t have that same slash.. BUT it does have some scratches that flow over the eagles head But I’m guessing those weren’t from the mint. Anyhow, I’ve attached some mirrored pics just to show that these aren’t just PL.
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Re: Part 2 of the 1884-CC and 1883-O Branch Mint Suspects

Post by vampicker » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:53 pm

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Re: Part 2 of the 1884-CC and 1883-O Branch Mint Suspects

Post by vampicker » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:01 pm

You're obviously convinced you're right, so any discussion seems pointless. Send them in and get them certified by a reputable service.
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Re: Part 2 of the 1884-CC and 1883-O Branch Mint Suspects

Post by CascadeChris » Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:34 am

Oh God, who showed vampicker how to use the signature line? We all knew what he was going to put on it :lol: (and rightfully so)
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Re: Part 2 of the 1884-CC and 1883-O Branch Mint Suspects

Post by Chanteezy » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:03 am

I thought discussion and education was the point of the site. I’m not convinced Im right.. but the answers given just were points brought up elsewhere and there was an answer to them.. I gave an educated reply for the sake of others that read this post... so they can know what’s what..
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Re: Part 2 of the 1884-CC and 1883-O Branch Mint Suspects

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:14 am

I think you have gotten the best advice you can get on this board, and the other board you posted on. Send them in to NGC and see. Why hesitate if you are convinced you are right? I hope your are right, but I doubt it. You can always shove it in our faces if we are wrong :lol:

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Re: Part 2 of the 1884-CC and 1883-O Branch Mint Suspects

Post by vampicker » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:18 pm

Fine...explain away the bagmarks. A branch mint goes to the trouble of making a special and limited issue, then casually tosses them into the pile that lands in bags? The recognized and widely accepted examples of branch mint proofs (or specimen strikes) were handled with far greater care. Your 84-CC appears to have sawdust marks on it as well.
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Re: Part 2 of the 1884-CC and 1883-O Branch Mint Suspects

Post by DHalladay » Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:29 pm

Looks totally like a PL/DMPL business strike to me.
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Re: Part 2 of the 1884-CC and 1883-O Branch Mint Suspects

Post by blu62vette » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:55 pm

I imaged the 1885-CC branch mint proof years before it got graded. It has an very different look to it than other coins of the date.

The coins you pictured don't have a look that seems much different than others for the years. The don't look hammered, frosty, or anything of real significance.

I am in the boat of regular strikes.

While at FUN see if PCGS or NGC is doing a meet the expert, then you can show them to David Hall or Mark Salzburg of they are there. They will get you some feedback, if you just submit you wont be able to get any explanation of why they grade how they do.

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