97 p what i think is a proof die

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Cwwallis
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97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by Cwwallis » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:05 am

Some all the stuff on this coin matches the proof but ill let yall decide

The areas around the eyes match up the claw of the right foot matches the designers intials match
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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by Cwwallis » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:06 am

Heres the tail feathers
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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by Cwwallis » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:15 am

Heres some more pics
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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by Cwwallis » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:26 am

The lines in the wings are the same the lines on the tail festhers are the same

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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by Cwwallis » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:26 am

The rings on the legs match

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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by Cwwallis » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:28 am

Full coin photos
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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by Cwwallis » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:47 am

Worth noting is the top of the diagnal lines above the tail feathers are identical
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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by Cwwallis » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:07 am

I have search all the vams my coin has nothing double and no die clashes so eliminates almost all of them and the normal date dont match either

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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by Cwwallis » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:32 am

I just discoved this
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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by Cwwallis » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:36 am

Now im thinking vam 8
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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by twohawks » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:42 am

When looking to ID a given years VAM from about 1880 forward you need to start off by looking at the date position.

Much of your frustration comes from looking at things not in the official listing. This is due to the fact if everything was in the listing each VAM would have a full page and we have far over 5500 VAMs listed. The 1 thing to look at is the dates position, Far date is 2 plus denticles from the neck point on the viewers right hand side. Normal date is 2 denticles, and Near date is 1 to 2 denticles. Then you have Normal, High and low dates, some will be Near, Far and Normal date position.


This will narrow your search in many cases. I think your looking at trees and by looking so close your missing the forest.

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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by fogie » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:49 am

Obverse dies are not a match to to proof photographed. Look for die polish lines in the corner of the eye...

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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by Cwwallis » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:52 am

Its has die polish lines in the corner of the... mine has them

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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by Cwwallis » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:53 am

The very first pic posted of the face is my coin

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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by Mhomei » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:53 am

try V4

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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by Cwwallis » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:56 am

Vam 4 has a doubled 7 mines not doubled
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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by vampicker » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:31 pm

Any chance of success in this field requires the ability to make careful observations.

I'd strongly suggest you go back to square one and doublecheck things you've convinced yourself are a match.
often the crusher of hopes and dreams

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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by Cwwallis » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:42 pm

Vampicker i have about abandoned the proof die theroy but i belive its a strong contender for vam 8

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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by Cwwallis » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:45 pm

Thing i dont get is scribble lines are unique to a certain coin i thought they woukd be list in the vam description for sure i thought tjat would be a dead give away to what vam it is

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Re: 97 p what i think is a proof die

Post by Cwwallis » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:25 pm

Im missing something i know i am i jist cant figure it out

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