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VAM? 1922 S Pease obv. berry clash, rev. clashes

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 11:11 pm
by livingwater
Hello,
I'm trying to identify the VAM number for this 1922 S Peace dollar. I'm leaning toward VAM-1F according to the position of the spike clash. There are file lines and seems to be a very faint second spike. Obvious clash areas on obv. and rev. but I can't find any matching photos on VAMWorld. Thanks. Mark.

Re: VAM ID help please 1922 S Pease dollar

Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 10:46 am
by davidkclose
First of all, I son't recognize your coin as a listed VAM variety. Your coin has a B2 reverse, so, if it is listed, in will be in the VAM 2- series. I only see a single clash, which Leroy usually won't list. He MAY list it for the clash/gouges above the hair below R on the obverse, but I don't see anything else. Hope this is helpful.

Re: VAM ID help please 1922 S Pease dollar

Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 2:34 pm
by jrfaust
Mark, can you get a close up shot of field left of her forehead and nose? Is there any clash marks in that area? Nice pick up by the way! :D

Re: VAM ID help please 1922 S Pease dollar

Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 6:56 pm
by livingwater
Hi davidkclose,
You are correct about the reverse. Thanks for pointing it out. With 10x it does appear there is only one spike clash and maybe there is no VAM number for this coin. You'd think with the obv./rev. clashes there would be.

Hello jrfaust,
Here's more pics I took using bulb light and indirect sun. I don't see any clash marks by nose or chin. There are some marks in front of forehead and near junction of jaw/neck which I didn't notice before. Could be dings/scratches or maybe ray clashes from reverse? Ray clashes, now I'd like that! Opinions? Thanks.

Re: VAM ID help please 1922 S Pease dollar

Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 1:59 am
by livingwater
Here's a better pic of the obv. clash. Notice the berry.

Re: VAM? 1922 S Pease obv. berry clash, rev. clashes

Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 6:13 pm
by jrfaust
Mark, I believe the marks left of forehead and under chin are clash marks. I think Dr. Close would agree this could be a new VAM. If it were my coin, I would send it to Leroy for a looksey :D . Again, nice find!

Re: VAM? 1922 S Pease obv. berry clash, rev. clashes

Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 11:58 am
by livingwater
Wow, that would be nice to have a new variety. I don't know if the address for Leroy on the supplements page is current and correct? Would Leroy be able to look at my photos posted here or I could email the pics to him and determine if it's a new variety? Thanks for comments.

Re: VAM? 1922 S Pease obv. berry clash, rev. clashes

Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 1:18 pm
by colwillys
You will have to send the Coin to LVA plus money .. shipping & handing examination fees . pictures will not
work .

Re: VAM? 1922 S Pease obv. berry clash, rev. clashes

Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 10:40 pm
by jrfaust
Mark, PM me and I'll splain and help you get the coin to Leroy. :D

Re: VAM? 1922 S Pease obv. berry clash, rev. clashes

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:21 pm
by davidkclose
There are definitely clash marks in front of forehead, hard to see if partial E (from ONE on reverse) is present. If it is there then you have a neat discovery!

Re: VAM? 1922 S Pease obv. berry clash, rev. clashes

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:50 pm
by livingwater
Hi,
In front of LIberty's forehead and hair, the clash fades away before there would be any E transfer, at least I cannot see anything with 10x. I do see a little of the eagle's back feather where the rays begin. I'm undecided whether to send this coin to Leroy. Without letter transfer I assume a new VAM number would not be given. Thanks to all who responded.

Re: VAM? 1922 S Pease obv. berry clash, rev. clashes

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:31 pm
by bob259
If it was mine I'd send it to Leroy. It can still be listed if no letter transfer as long as enough other issues are there. It is not that much of a cost but sometimes you can wait to send more than one at a time but then you risk someone else finding one and stealing away the honor of the discovery. Go for it -- A Discovery is cool!

Re: VAM? 1922 S Pease obv. berry clash, rev. clashes

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:26 am
by VernP
Compare your pics to the ones on 26s 1AF1. That was my discovery from a few years ago. Similar clash

Re: VAM? 1922 S Pease obv. berry clash, rev. clashes

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:33 pm
by livingwater
Thanks VernP,
The clashes on your 26s 1AF1 do look like my 22S clashes. The clashed rays on mine are shifted a little different. I went ahead and sent the coin to Leroy. I'll let you all know what he said when I get it back.

Re: VAM? 1922 S Pease obv. berry clash, rev. clashes

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:39 pm
by livingwater
Hey all,

I got the coin back from Leroy. He sent a kind note and a page of current guidelines for sending him coins. He highlighted with a marker the part about clashes without letter transfer don't get listed and single spikes don't get listed unless they are longer than mine. So the coin is a VAM-2 with clashes, that's all. I now regret bothering him with this coin. Oh well.

I'm rather new to collecting Morgan/Peace dollars. I've been collecting ancient coins for a long time. While I don't (yet) have a VAM discovery I do have a few of my rare ancient coins published in three books, one being a plate coin listed in the British Museum Roman Provincial Series, which is like having a VAM discovery to me.

Mark

Re: VAM? 1922 S Pease obv. berry clash, rev. clashes

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:42 pm
by blh74
congrats on your ancient coin.

Re: VAM? 1922 S Pease obv. berry clash, rev. clashes

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:18 pm
by crabscrape
I really think all who comes to this site and others sites know what' goes on. It is a shame to play DUMB and expect the real expert's to come forth to teach others!

Re: VAM? 1922 S Pease obv. berry clash, rev. clashes

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:50 am
by livingwater
Hi crabscrape,

I don't understand your comment. What do you mean or who are you referring to when you said "play DUMB and expect the real experts.....?"

I've only been VAMing about a year and six months. I am learning. I posted the coin to get opinions about its attribution. Members here and on another collecting site encouraged me to send the coin to Leroy so I did. This is the only coin I've sent to Leroy and I was not aware of the guidelines. If you are saying I played DUMB then such condescending false statements should not be welcome here or on any other forum. I read somewhere Leroy rejects over 40% of submissions. Is every collector playing DUMB when Leroy decides not to list their coin? All collectors should be SMART enough about VAMs that every coin they submit will be a new discovery, right? Wow. I thought this forum is for sharing and helping each other. But given human nature I suppose there's a snobby attitude in every crowd.

Re: VAM? 1922 S Pease obv. berry clash, rev. clashes

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:27 pm
by jrfaust
Mark, I'm really surprised Leroy didn't find the obverse clash marks list-able. Hang in there my friend, it'll happen and don't let the Crab dude bother you....not sure what he's getting at either. 99.9% of the peeps on this site are the best, they're helpful, friendly, encouraging, Professional, and all around friendly :D ......sometimes, like any site, a jerk slips in and taints the 99.9% of the good guys and gals. ;)

Re: VAM? 1922 S Pease obv. berry clash, rev. clashes

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:32 pm
by TheYokel
livingwater wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:50 am
Hi crabscrape,

I don't understand your comment. What do you mean or who are you referring to when you said "play DUMB and expect the real experts.....?"

I've only been VAMing about a year and six months. I am learning. I posted the coin to get opinions about its attribution. Members here and on another collecting site encouraged me to send the coin to Leroy so I did. This is the only coin I've sent to Leroy and I was not aware of the guidelines. If you are saying I played DUMB then such condescending false statements should not be welcome here or on any other forum. I read somewhere Leroy rejects over 40% of submissions. Is every collector playing DUMB when Leroy decides not to list their coin? All collectors should be SMART enough about VAMs that every coin they submit will be a new discovery, right? Wow. I thought this forum is for sharing and helping each other. But given human nature I suppose there's a snobby attitude in every crowd.
Ignore crab...

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