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Central States Stories

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Wed May 01, 2019 5:28 pm

So I was at the Central States Show last week. I did everything I wanted to accomplish on Friday. I sold some expendable 1902-Os left over from my study (took a bath on them with the weak dollar market). I had Baumgart photogragh two coins for me. I met up with JB, Brian and Ash. I found an example of a 1897-P VAM-10 single clash coin and verified that there is no clashed E. So all was good.

Went to dinner at Texas De Brazil with Jim Longe, JB, and Ash. About half way thru dinner, Ash pulls out a Scarface and says his only mission at the show was to sell the coin. He handed it around.

Eventually it went back to Ash. So while waiting for the sausage to show up to the table, I casually ask Ash what he wants for it. He tells me. I think about it for a bit and said something like, "if you will take PayPal, I will pay you and you can mail me the coin when you get the payment". He hands me the coin and told me to take it with me and just send him the $.
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Likely some of you have seen this coin already since it Ash had it. But I had always wanted a Scarface and this one made sense at the right time:

1. PCGS problem free holder (+1)
2. MS 62, which means I could actually afford it (+1)
3. California pedigree (+1)
4. CAC sticker (+1)
5. Mid-state H10 as stated by Mr. H himself (+1)
6. Crappy toning (-1)

All in all, I am happy to finally own a great VAM. Thanks Ash!
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Re: Central States Story

Post by TheYokel » Wed May 01, 2019 5:32 pm

Sweet coin! I wonder how CAC judges VAMs... Off the coin or off the detail that makes the VAM? I know it will be a bit of both, but one is undoubtedly weighted higher...
It's coming... :popcorn:

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Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Wed May 01, 2019 5:48 pm

Here is one of the coins I had JB photogragh. It is a 1903-O with a HUGH gouge at eagles left shoulder gap. It is unlisted. The coin is on it's way to Sidney. If you want an example of "what's listable", here is one. We shall see what Leroy has to say of course. No die poop here. This was identified during my die study of 1903-Os. Die studies folks, die studies. But I have shown this gouge to you before.
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Post by TheYokel » Wed May 01, 2019 5:54 pm

LateDateMorganGuy wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 5:48 pm
Here is one of the coins I had JB photogragh. It is a 1903-O with a HUGH gouge at eagles left shoulder gap. It is unlisted. The coin is on it's way to Sidney. If you want an example of "what's listable", here is one. We shall see what Leroy has to say of course. No die poop here. This was identified during my die study of 1903-Os. Die studies folks, die studies. But I have shown this gouge to you before.

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Anecdotally, it seems some of the "gouges" people point out in the wing gap are actually transfer from the hair around the D (giggity) gap on Anna's head. On a lot of the clashed coins that show the marks in the wing gap, the hair lines up almost perfectly on overlays.

100% yours is a gouge if it's not pmd. And others do show polishing and gouges there. Just wanted to toss out the idea since we're talking about researching wing gaps.
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Post by dave700x » Wed May 01, 2019 6:07 pm

But I have shown this gouge to you before
I do remember that one. Looking forward to the results and congrats on that H-10. That's a bucket list coin for me. :)
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Post by CascadeChris » Wed May 01, 2019 6:08 pm

Very cool Alan. If I didn't have to put most of my extraneous funds into my new travel/buy business right now I would have grabbed that Scar. Oh, and thanks :roll: for causing me to obsessively flip and ask for any 03o's everywhere I go.. I WILL find one of those tough as nuts birds! Hopefully more sooner than later. I just hit the road for an overnight buy trip up to Northern California so fingers crossed 🤞😎
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Post by DHalladay » Wed May 01, 2019 6:58 pm

Great story; thanks for sharing.
That's certainly the kind of thing Ash would do. And although the toning is annoying, the coin itself looks really strong for a 62.
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Post by playtime1 » Wed May 01, 2019 7:14 pm

Alan
Yes dinner was great although I should have kept my spoon to help finish off the cheese cake. Great seeing you, JB Ash and Brandy. The Scarface H10 was gorgeous!! :lol: :lol:

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Post by vamsterdam » Wed May 01, 2019 7:54 pm

I saw that one, and another in ngc63 too. Was somewhat tempted by the Pcgs coin. Was really nice to spend some time with you. And to see him and ash. Turned out to be a great show.

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Post by morganman » Wed May 01, 2019 10:07 pm

Your 1903 o gouge coin sure looks like a struck thru wire in pics
and i have never been wrong lately- except for 100% on 4 occasions within 8 months LOL
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Post by ljs123 » Thu May 02, 2019 1:23 am

Nice Alan.
Thanks for the story.
I would like an 88-O like that one day.
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Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Thu May 02, 2019 1:44 am

Thanks all for the replies. The Scarface is a coin I have wanted for a long time. Like I said, just kismet the way it happened.

I also forgot to mention on Friday I stopped by the ANACS table and caught up with Paul. It has been a while. But as usual, he is an all-star. I submitted a low grade 89-CC to see how it comes out just to make his time worthwhile :roll:

I also took two 1902-O VAM-25s in ICG MS63 PL plastic to see if Brian, Ash and JB thought they would cross to PCGS in PL. I basically got three thumbs down. So they will stay where they are for now. Interesting to challenge and watch Ash and JB look at them in dim lighting at the Texas De Brazil table and poo-poo them. But I got the answer I was looking for. I kinda expected the outcome anyway.

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Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Thu May 02, 2019 1:54 am

Finally, one last story. I took an AU 55ish 78-P V9 that is lightly cleaned to the show. I showed it to both Brian and Ash, and asked what I could do to get it to grade without details.

I got some answers that blew my mind. I am not sure if and how I would go about their recommendations. But the point is they showed me that I have a LOT to learn about some things :cry:

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Re: Central States Stories

Post by Tekkie1 » Thu May 02, 2019 2:11 am

That's a hell of a Coin Alan, congrats!

Ash is a great person and sounds just like him to do something that cool...well done Ash. :D

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Post by messydesk » Thu May 02, 2019 2:19 am

Great seeing you at the show again, as always. Passing coins around over vast quantities of meat in a dimly lit restaurant is always one of the show highlights.
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Post by vamsterdam » Fri May 03, 2019 3:39 pm

Wish I could have made the dinner but I had to skedaddle on Friday and Thursday I had a gang all set for thai good. We passed coins around but very little in the way of vams. Mostly nickels that were super doubled dies.

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