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Re: delete please

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:12 am

Great question Loren. Someone will correct me if I am wrong.

The original VAM Plates in the Encyclopedia are off limits from uploading to this site. CLCT bought the rights to the Encyclopedia, and hence the copyright. There was a mass effort to remove them from VW1 back when it was discussed.

The VAM Plates in the Supplements are a different story. It is my understanding that Leroy has given the SSDC permission to post them on VW1, and I can only assume he is fine with them on VW2. Besides, since his letters do not specifically copyright them, I feel the coin's owner actually owns them, but that is outside of my legal purvey.

As far as the HA LFCPs go, as I recall HA gave permission to Ron Hagler to post them on the VW1 site, although I do not have any written confirmation of this. So, it can be assumed it is okay to have them on VW2. Now, if folks other than Ron posted HA photos on VW1, and the permission by HA was given specifically to Ron and not the SSDC, then there could be a problem.

Such is life and the internet.

Guess JB answered while I was typing.

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Re: delete please

Post by CascadeChris » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:22 am

messydesk wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:08 am
I had an e-mail exchange with him in September 2015 about this, and while he wasn't sure how to handle it, his bottom line was, "[I] don't want to stifle collectors efforts & render VAMWorld less useful." Read that direct quote again, and then buy the supplements from him if you haven't.

@Mhomei please read this, digest it, take it to heart and follow the big guys lead :)
Alonzi VW 2.0!

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Re: delete please

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:29 am

By the way, Mitch is correct in his statements about my work. However, just as a point of clarification, his comments only apply to the 1902-O series. It was my first attribution guide, and I invested thousands upon thousands of dollars in coins to do the Guide. I put my stuff in the guide and not on this site on purpose, to try and recoup some of the costs of the coins. Didn't even come close to covering the coin costs. The guide income was a mere pittance. I consider this my prerogative. And Mitch is also correct about the quality of the photos in my guide not being up to his work's standards on VW1. So Mitch and I agree on something. Check out the 1902-O Crack Finder Guides. Those are my work, and folks use them. So I do share stuff.

That being said, the 1904-O and 1904-P pages (other series I have published that were commercially available) on this site are up-to-date with all the pertinent info that is necessary to attribute them based on my work (and Kurt's for the 1904-Os). Any other series that I have studied and not made publicly available is due to source material and ownership issues with the coin photos similar to what is being discussed in this thread.

I am with Dennis. Anything I post here is open game without any strings attached.

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Re: delete please

Post by Mhomei » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:35 am

John
Please read this first

General license compliance

What happens if I want to use the material in a way that is not permitted by the license?
Contact the rights holders to ask for permission. Otherwise, unless an exception or limitation to copyright applies, your use of the material may violate the Creative Commons license. If you violate the terms of the license, your rights to use the material will be automatically terminated, and you may be liable for copyright infringement.

Your walking on thin ice and your exposing
Your license and the SSDC's finances.

You should stop posting CC guidelines
That do not apply to this situation.

Fact
VW1 is not VW2

Fact
VW 2 is not the SSDC

Fact
You cannot say that the SSDC retains right to anything posted on VW 2. The SSDC does
Not have creative or legal rights as a third party.
If you wish to do so than you must
Present that in writing and follow all guidelines before doing so publicly

I strongly suggest you and the missing president of the SSDC along with the treasurer
To consult an attorney.

I already have and the good news for me
Is when you lose the SSDC will be paying my
Attorney as well as yours.

So comply with restore or delete
Or risk the consequences.

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Re: delete please

Post by LorenAlbert » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:41 am

Several years ago, I spent considerable effort in trying to grasp Creative Commons licensing within the context of copyright. I devised the following scenario as a way to help remember what I thought I may have learned. Please speculate whether this scenario reflects the spirit of the Creative Commons license.

My understanding of the interplay between copyright and the Creative Commons license might be provided by photographing the 1917 Liberty Quarter. If I invested several hundred hours in photographing this quarter and my photograph, by way of CC licensing, found its way onto the main page of a non-profit non-numismatic site (eg. pornography site), there would be nothing I could do about removing the photograph. Unless....., the MDM5 hash changed. Then, I could demand removal. The site would be forced to use the original.

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Re: delete please

Post by Mhomei » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:01 am

Chris and John
The only photos of Leroy's that are off limits are photos as they appear in the VAM book. He's given his blessing to use stuff sent out in letters to collectors. I had an e-mail exchange with him in September 2015 about this, and while he wasn't sure how to handle it, his bottom line was, " don't want to stifle collectors efforts & render VAMWorld less useful." Read that direct quote again, and then buy the supplements from him if you haven't.

This entire statement and the statement concerning LFCP's from heritage is totally misleading.

Scott H. and were both told by Ash H. That
He had written permission to use the post
Big Book plates on Rob J. VW1 site.

Ron H. Was the liaison between Heritage and VW1 so I defer to him on this issue just as you guys should before you start stating things as fact.

If LVA said you no longer have his permission to use his plates. I would suggest that you immediately start removing them within the 30 day requirement.

If Heritage said you don't have permission
To use their photos on VW2
Than I would suggest you start pulling them
Down as well. Within the 30 day period allowed by your license.

But those industry big wigs are not to be treated the same as a collector are they?

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Re: delete please

Post by messydesk » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:08 am

LorenAlbert wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:41 am
Several years ago, I spent considerable effort in trying to grasp Creative Commons licensing within the context of copyright. I devised the following scenario as a way to help remember what I thought I may have learned. Please speculate whether this scenario reflects the spirit of the Creative Commons license.

My understanding of the interplay between copyright and the Creative Commons license might be provided by photographing the 1917 Liberty Quarter. If I invested several hundred hours in photographing this quarter and my photograph, by way of CC licensing, found its way onto the main page of a non-profit non-numismatic site (eg. pornography site), there would be nothing I could do about removing the photograph. Unless....., the MDM5 hash changed. Then, I could demand removal. The site would be forced to use the original.
That doesn't sound like anything I've read. Everywhere it is saying that an adaptation has to have some sort of original expression, even if you are using an ND (no derivatives) license.
Welcome to the VAMWorld 2.0 discussion boards. R.I.P. old VAMWorld.

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Re: delete please

Post by LorenAlbert » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:21 am

That doesn't sound like anything I've read. Everywhere it is saying that an adaptation has to have some sort of original expression, even if you are using an ND (no derivatives) license.
Thank you for commenting. Loren

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Re: delete please

Post by messydesk » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:57 pm

Mhomei wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:35 am
So comply with restore or delete
Or risk the consequences.
If I restore them this weekend, I expect that you'll break them up as you said you would to comply with the guidance VAM page template.
Welcome to the VAMWorld 2.0 discussion boards. R.I.P. old VAMWorld.

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Re: delete please

Post by Mhomei » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:40 pm

Of course

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Re: delete please

Post by PacificWR » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:30 pm

Sounds like we have a deal.

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Re: delete please

Post by neals384 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:55 pm

I have always thought the Comps were a weird and distracting way to help collectors attribute VAMs, especially when they are presented with no caption and no arrows highlighting the reason for each individual photo. Never said anything out of respect for those who have spent so much time putting VW1 and VW2 together.

I have no opinion on the current kerfuffle re. Mitch's comps, but I applaud efforts to move away from using comps and convert those that are on the site.

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