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Re: It's Finally In-Hand... Is It a New E Discovery?... Muahaha...

Post by TheYokel » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:10 pm

vampicker wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:23 pm
Maybe twice, but it's about ten seconds tops in hand - seriously. But that's me after years of doing this.
Ok so I know this coins rough, but i didnt expect to be searching it for anything... Got it for the really steep G clash to learn from... Decided I'd use it to learn about alignment with what you've taught me so far...

What is this boss?... It survived all the pmd intact, whatever it is...
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Re: It's Finally In-Hand... Is It a New E Discovery?... Muahaha...

Post by vampicker » Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:02 pm

Gonna punt on that. I can't be certain from pictures. I'm going to guess it's nothing, but it is a guess
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Re: It's Finally In-Hand... Is It a New E Discovery?... Muahaha...

Post by TheYokel » Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:03 pm

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Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:02 pm
Gonna punt on that. I can't be certain from pictures. I'm going to guess it's nothing, but it is a guess
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Re: It's Finally In-Hand... Is It a New E Discovery?... Muahaha...

Post by TheYokel » Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:08 pm

D... Do I have the green light to finally get one looked at?... :?:
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Re: It's Finally In-Hand... Is It a New E Discovery?... Muahaha...

Post by vampicker » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:00 pm

Van Allen will almost certainly pass on giving any opinion on a dollar in that grade
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Re: It's Finally In-Hand... Is It a New E Discovery?... Muahaha...

Post by vampicker » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:02 pm

BTW, I'd take a good look at the listed G clashes for whatever date this one is
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Re: It's Finally In-Hand... Is It a New E Discovery?... Muahaha...

Post by TheYokel » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:14 pm

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Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:00 pm
Van Allen will almost certainly pass on giving any opinion on a dollar in that grade
I realize it's not exactly AU... But it's too worn for him to even look at? :(

I haven't found a matching VAM yet that it would belong to, so it may well be his first time seeing the pair at all... He wouldn't even be interested?
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Re: It's Finally In-Hand... Is It a New E Discovery?... Muahaha...

Post by TheYokel » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:14 pm

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Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:02 pm
BTW, I'd take a good look at the listed G clashes for whatever date this one is
It was a very short list...
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Post by vampicker » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:24 pm

It's got 'pass' written all over it.
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Post by CascadeChris » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:32 pm

TheYokel wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:14 pm
vampicker wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:00 pm
Van Allen will almost certainly pass on giving any opinion on a dollar in that grade
I realize it's not exactly AU... But it's too worn for him to even look at? :(
Yes. Find another in higher grade. Dont waste his and your time on a coin that worn.
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Post by TheYokel » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:38 pm

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Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:24 pm
It's got 'pass' written all over it.
I'm not being argumentative, please don't take it that way... You're just the authority to ask about a lot of this.

But if he'll only look at MS coins, how do we get VAMs like the 80-P VAM-7 that's never been seen in MS and only has some worn-as-dirt photos... Or the 1885-S VAM9 that was discovered in VF-20? I'm not even sure an MS 89-O 1A2 has ever been seen...

Has he just gotten more picky about the coins over the years?
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Re: It's Finally In-Hand... Is It a New E Discovery?... Muahaha...

Post by impairedsquirrel » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:40 pm

Why do you try so hard to hide the date/mm Ant? There hasn't been a new E clash found in many, many years (and I think the last two "new" ones that were listed were subsequently delisted or believed to not exist...), so the chance that someone else, ESPECIALLY here, is gonna say "oh, I have one of those and look at that, there's an E!!" are about a billion times lower than the chances that someone will say "oh, that's a VAM-xx. Yeah, that one had me wondering once too, but nothing doing". In other words, quit acting like you're changing the landscape of the hobby and let these people actually help you get better.
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Post by impairedsquirrel » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:45 pm

As for the grade of a coin that Leroy will look at, consider the features that make the VAMs you listed... are any of those listed for "possibly, maybe, in the right light, a tick of an E or a G"?
Even an ugly lady can slap you in the face, but it takes a beauty to seduce you into seeing her little ticks...
Also, the plate photo for the 85-S v9 looks like an MS coin.
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Re: It's Finally In-Hand... Is It a New E Discovery?... Muahaha...

Post by TheYokel » Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:12 am

impairedsquirrel wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:40 pm
Why do you try so hard to hide the date/mm Ant? There hasn't been a new E clash found in many, many years (and I think the last two "new" ones that were listed were subsequently delisted or believed to not exist...), so the chance that someone else, ESPECIALLY here, is gonna say "oh, I have one of those and look at that, there's an E!!" are about a billion times lower than the chances that someone will say "oh, that's a VAM-xx. Yeah, that one had me wondering once too, but nothing doing". In other words, quit acting like you're changing the landscape of the hobby and let these people actually help you get better.
It's my prerogative to keep the coins I'm looking at my own until I've learned from them or gotten the o.k. to give it a shot.

Of course the chances are infinitely small that someone has the matching pair and doesn't know it. It's also an infinitely small chance I locate one at all, and I've seen the types of collections you all keep. Not one piece of me doesn't think there aren't multiple members with God only knows the number of the VAM pairs I'm looking at.

Why does it seem like some of y'all are against me looking at all? In the six months I've been looking for my E, I feel I've gotten exponentially better at understanding what I'm looking at (one to the power of 10 is still 1 after-all, let's be honest where I started lol...)

It honestly may seem like I'm just blasting groups of pictures, but every coin has had a different placement or a different "looking" type of mark I've learned from. I haven't second-defended anything once, and have taken every piece of advice given to me to learn from...

...except giving up. I started looking for this before any of y'all ever told me what it would mean. My very first post ever on this forum was about a new E. I've been looking for one before i knew what a wing clash was. Gaining more experience isn't going to make me give up the endeavour... I'm just going to use it to help me along.

I'm not trying to change a landscape... I'm trying to cut my own path through this forest of PMD. It's slow... but I'm making progress. Apparently.
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Re: It's Finally In-Hand... Is It a New E Discovery?... Muahaha...

Post by vampicker » Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:37 am

He's 84 (or about to be in days, can't remember which date in April is his birthday) and yes, things change over time. Stretching to base a new listing on a worn and nicked up coin only to have to later completely revise or kill it entirely when a decent example comes to light is something anyone who takes pride in their work would get sick of fast. Conversely, more than half the current listing would have been dismissed as too trivial in the past. No tiny ticks of n's, no t's, no minor radial cracks, and no scribbles, etc, etc, etc.
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Re: It's Finally In-Hand... Is It a New E Discovery?... Muahaha...

Post by messydesk » Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:58 am

Weak clashed Es are the some of the hardest things to photograph, even if you take the coin out of the flip first. I hate to sound discouraging, but please stop trying, and get it into the hands of someone who can look at the coin. I agree with JohnR's assessment that it would take about 10 seconds to get you an answer.
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Post by TheYokel » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:19 am

messydesk wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:58 am
Weak clashed Es are the some of the hardest things to photograph, even if you take the coin out of the flip first. I hate to sound discouraging, but please stop trying, and get it into the hands of someone who can look at the coin. I agree with JohnR's assessment that it would take about 10 seconds to get you an answer.
I might have someone look at that last one just to tell me if it's even worth looking for a better version.

Per the photos: i know I'll never be able to get an "ok" from pictures unless it's something like a 1A2... I'm mainly just using them as practice examples to learn about where to look. At least i feel like I'm hunting phantoms in the right places now :lol: ... Like lookie... I found a new way to drive myself crazy now...
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Post by vamsterdam » Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:42 pm

Is it an 1890o, or an 1887o? I see a pretty strong possibility of a g clash.

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Post by TheYokel » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:55 pm

vamsterdam wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:42 pm
Is it an 1890o, or an 1887o? I see a pretty strong possibility of a g clash.
The first coin I posted? This one? My apologies boss. There's been a few posted. This is the only one I've thought I've seen neck transfer on...
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Re: It's Finally In-Hand... Is It a New E Discovery?... Muahaha...

Post by crabscrape » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:37 am

Sounds Like Jeff Oxman is in the house! I can remember when it was told you cant see the trees for the forest. (I'm trying to cut my own path through this forest). Well good Luck I hope the best for ALL!!

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