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Re: 1879-S VAM page update.

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:40 pm
by PacificWR
This question still has not been answered by JB. the update shown above has nothing to do with updating the VAM pages. It is building a new interface to the VAM Listing page of each date and each series. That is another reason why updating the VAM pages and updating the interface to the VAM listing's can go on at the same time.

Keep in mind the update (Link shown below) is flexible.

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... Ms_by_Date

In addition, I am not a big fan of portals. If we were talking a big business running SAP then that is a different story (we use them at work). For VAMWorld it's not necessary. Most folks would say forget it when the saw what it would take to build it.

Re: 1879-S VAM page update.

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:39 pm
by TheYokel
messydesk wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:36 pm
TheYokel wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:12 pm
Just like I really like the idea of the clickable "Top 100/Hot 50/Etc" lists for THAT year and MM being on the page. Yes, we have a great list linked in the sidebar... But if a new collector is at a table and picking coins... It's much more convenient to have the info for THAT coin on one page instead of clicking through 7 different links for Top 100... Hot 50... Hit List 40... Kimpton 12... WOW!... Super CD 25...
I tried this out on a test version of the 88-O page a while ago, making it more legible and obvious what coins were on a list. For many dates, there aren't as many "list" VAMs as for 88-O, so this made a good test. The only thing I don't like is that on a mobile device, you need to zoom in to read the table. This may be solvable with a mobile-aware theme that has a separate CSS for tables in a mobile setting. Needs looking into.

Be aware that if you want your own "home" page, you can edit your user page on the wiki to create your own custom portal to the rest of the wiki such that your use cases are more optimized. This is also a good way to test things out without disrupting other pages.
This is what the test pages look like on my mobile. As zoomed out as far as my phone will allow on 720...

This $#!+ looks CLEAN, man! That's awesome effort put into making it as linear and straight-forward as possible. Where do i donate to make them all like this?! (Not that I'm against the effort, I'm simply quite illiterate at any type of coding)
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Re: 1879-S VAM page update.

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:44 pm
by TheYokel
This is the official page on desktop on 720 on portrait mobile viewing the desktop site... (I dont do landscape... That's for heathens)

Edit: Here's 88-O for apples to apples comparison...



BRO! We neeeeeeeed your page change boss!

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Re: 1879-S VAM page update.

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:28 am
by LateDateMorganGuy
I still fail to understand what this thread, and previous threads are about.

VAMming is not easy. There is no cosmetic complexion of the pages that will make instant gratification of an attribution for newbies possible. Instant gratification is what younger folks want and desire. Not happening in VAMming for generic coins. Things like rotated dies and clashes take time to understand. Take Yokel as an example as someone who needs time to understand how rotation affects the possibility of clashed letter transfer. Do not take my comment wrong Yokel, you are just the freshest person to demonstrate this. This have been many before you and there will be many to follow. The reason for the "lists" is to showcase the cool stuff. That is why they were created in the first place, and to try and attract folks into the hobby as far as I know.

VAMming takes work. Period.

If folks want to know what is cool about Morgan dollars, then they need to buy a copy of "Wonders of Morgan Dollars" by Leroy. That document pretty well sums it up.

I am still in the camp that accuracy on the pages (and we need a lot of this) is more important than presentation. I feel folks with time on their hands could contribute more my making that happen.

Re: 1879-S VAM page update.

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:52 am
by TheYokel
LateDateMorganGuy wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:28 am
I still fail to understand what this thread, and previous threads are about.

VAMming is not easy. There is no cosmetic complexion of the pages that will make instant gratification of an attribution for newbies possible. Instant gratification is what younger folks want and desire. Not happening in VAMming for generic coins. Things like rotated dies and clashes take time to understand. Take Yokel as an example as someone who needs time to understand how rotation affects the possibility of clashed letter transfer. Do not take my comment wrong Yokel, you are just the freshest person to demonstrate this. This have been many before you and there will be many to follow. The reason for the "lists" is to showcase the cool stuff. That is why they were created in the first place, and to try and attract folks into the hobby as far as I know.

VAMming takes work. Period.

If folks want to know what is cool about Morgan dollars, then they need to buy a copy of "Wonders of Morgan Dollars" by Leroy. That document pretty well sums it up.

I am still in the camp that accuracy on the pages (and we need a lot of this) is more important than presentation. I feel folks with time on their hands could contribute more my making that happen.
If you can't see how a cleaner layout like the difference in Messy's page I posted and the official listing would help speed up the research you want to see happen... Then i can't comment to make you see my side of the coin so to speak. It's just differing opinions.

As for understanding clashes. I never denied being duller than a Styrofoam pool noodle at understanding undocumented clashes...

But I'm pretty darn good at finding listed VAMs in the wild. I look at these listings more than is probably healthy some days, and I understand what would help my research. If it takes me an extra 5 seconds to read a listing because of font size and page breaks, that's an extra 10 minutes of reading on a list like the 21-P that I could have used to research the actual coin when I identify it.

You want to make the research better. I want to make doing the research better.

We both want the same things, but we are burning from opposite sides of the same candle.

Re: 1879-S VAM page update.

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:48 pm
by PacificWR
Still no answer to my question on why updating the VAM pages and updating the interface to the VAM listing's can't go on at the same time.

Re: 1879-S VAM page update.

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:27 pm
by ORGirl1!
It can go on at the same time!

All platforms routinely do this. Most have a beta running simultaneously while constructing and testing. Next time your smartphone or favorite app updates read the fine print before clicking update. Let me know if you find one that does not include at least one of the following, "bug fix(es)", "performance enhancement(s)", or "site improvement(s)". Websites routinely update and do it overnight Sunday/Monday to minimize impact to site use but you will notice some change the first time you enter site after an update. Improvement is needed in order to stay relevant, protect the site, update, and keep the forward momentum that is needed regardless of the entity behind the site (business, government, municipality, organization, etc.) to keep end users.

But, you weren't waiting for me to comment were you? ;)

Re: 1879-S VAM page update.

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:42 pm
by PacificWR
ORGirl1! wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:27 pm
It can go on at the same time!

All platforms routinely do this. Most have a beta running simultaneously while constructing and testing. Next time your smartphone or favorite app updates read the fine print before clicking update. Let me know if you find one that does not include at least one of the following, "bug fix(es)", "performance enhancement(s)", or "site improvement(s)". Websites routinely update and do it overnight Sunday/Monday to minimize impact to site use but you will notice some change the first time you enter site after an update. Improvement is needed in order to stay relevant, protect the site, update, and keep the forward momentum that is needed regardless of the entity behind the site (business, government, municipality, organization, etc.) to keep end users.
I could not state it any better ORGirl . It's the way IT rolls.

Re: 1879-S VAM page update.

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:43 pm
by PacificWR
ORGirl1! wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:27 pm
It can go on at the same time!

But, you weren't waiting for me to comment were you? ;)
Oh no. He knows.