1926-D die break LL with very rusty obverse

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1926-D die break LL with very rusty obverse

Post by Pareidoliac » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:58 pm

This 1926-D has die break through LL on reverse (VAM-1H based on that) but the obverse has large rust patches at numerous locations and a die break from bottom of T through Y to rim. There is no mention of a rusted obverse die, pitting, or excessive die wear in the 1H listing. So, I am wondering if this can be a new die pair. I am presenting lots of photos.
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Re: 1926-D die break LL with very rusty obverse

Post by Pareidoliac » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:03 am

More photos...
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Re: 1926-D die break LL with very rusty obverse

Post by Pareidoliac » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:18 am

There also appears to be a long, raised rectangular swath from bottom of T, through bun, to second ray from the right. This is difficult to photograph but I provided two. It appears to be a continuation of the die break but cuts across the bun and hair at 45 degree angle at the base of the T.
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Re: 1926-D die break LL with very rusty obverse

Post by Raybob15239 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:32 am

That first pic looks like a planchet issue more than a die issue.
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Re: 1926-D die break LL with very rusty obverse

Post by Pareidoliac » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:52 am

Raybob, you sure know how to quash a new discovery. 😉

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Re: 1926-D die break LL with very rusty obverse

Post by Raybob15239 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:04 am

It may still be a discovery...with a really cool planchet defect, too! (Or really regrettable PMD...)
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Re: 1926-D die break LL with very rusty obverse

Post by Pareidoliac » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:03 am

I looked at “planchet” in the VW definitions section and saw two kinds of planchet issues. First is a cracked planchet. That’s not the issue on this coin. Second is planchet lamination. The rectangular swath through the bun and hair may be lamination. Everything else looks like rusty die impressions, but someone with more experience has to jump in here.

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Re: 1926-D die break LL with very rusty obverse

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:09 am

Environmental damage followed by a cleaning.

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Re: 1926-D die break LL with very rusty obverse

Post by Mhomei » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:24 pm

Looks like a V4

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Re: 1926-D die break LL with very rusty obverse

Post by messydesk » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:33 am

LateDateMorganGuy wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:09 am
Environmental damage followed by a cleaning.
This. Glue on a coin can also look like this, but It seems that this is just a damaged coin.
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Re: 1926-D die break LL with very rusty obverse

Post by Pareidoliac » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:06 am

It’s not pitting or rust because the areas aren’t raised on the coin. It’s frightening that my mind failed to register this most basic fact. Also, as I read in Definitions, pitting and rust are also more likely to occur more on the reverse because that die faces up and is more likely therefore to hold water. I appreciate the feedback; what seems so obvious to Raybob et.al. was completely missed by me.

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