Crude 1891-O Counterfeit?... .950 Silver!

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Crude 1891-O Counterfeit?... .950 Silver!

Post by CascadeChris » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:15 pm

Thoughts?

Can't remember where I got this or even how long I've had it but decided to take it to the LB show to have a friend shoot it with his XRF gun and to my surprise it spat out that she's around 95% silver.. Weight is 26.5g +/-


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Re: Crude 1891-O Counterfeit... .950 Silver!

Post by messydesk » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:19 pm

Odd. Is there a place on the rim to check to see if it's plated, such as the funny textured spot below the mint mark/above IB?
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Re: Crude 1891-O Counterfeit... .950 Silver!

Post by hairfield1 » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:20 pm

Looks like some kid poured acid on it..LOL

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Re: Crude 1891-O Counterfeit... .950 Silver!

Post by CascadeChris » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:39 pm

messydesk wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:19 pm
Odd. Is there a place on the rim to check to see if it's plated, such as the funny textured spot below the mint mark/above IB?
It does have a broken-off pendant loop. Are you thinking it could be authentic but plated with 999 and the .950 reading is a mix of the 90% with a thin 999 plating?
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Re: Crude 1891-O Counterfeit... .950 Silver!

Post by messydesk » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:05 pm

Perhaps. Or enough of some other metal by weight and then heavily plated.

As lousy as it looks, the date and mint mark are reasonably sharp and match VAM 16. Another possibility is that severe environmental damage is precluding a good read from the XRF.
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Re: Crude 1891-O Counterfeit... .950 Silver!

Post by CascadeChris » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:08 pm

Ok, I'll relegate it to "oddity" status then. Thanks..
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Re: Crude 1891-O Counterfeit... .950 Silver!

Post by Brabjohn » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:33 pm

Chris,
MM looks close to Dan Carr’s 1894-O VNA-B. It does look like it’s had some env damage. With a .950 reading I’m in the counterfeit camp.

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Re: Crude 1891-O Counterfeit?... .950 Silver!

Post by CascadeChris » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:02 pm

Thanks for the vote of confidence Brady but I'm leaning more towards JB's theory. Maybe I'll send it to him on my next VSS sub so he can take a look at it in-hand.

...And, so I don't pollute the page with another separate o/t thread, what do you guys think of this "1872-CC" Half?..

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Re: Crude 1891-O Counterfeit?... .950 Silver!

Post by shortnock » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:08 pm

Could it be that the Morgan was "pickled" enough to remove a percentage of copper?
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Re: Crude 1891-O Counterfeit?... .950 Silver!

Post by messydesk » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:27 pm

shortnock wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:08 pm
Could it be that the Morgan was "pickled" enough to remove a percentage of copper?
That's what I was thinking with the environmental damage throwing off the results. This all assumes that the XRF device is reading correctly on stuff like uncirculated Morgans or wholesome circulated coins.

The iron and lead from the 72-CC half could be a result of the coin being dug up and having reacted to whatever is in the soil. If you were to send it for grading, it would probably come back "authenticity unverifiable" unless there were good die markers for a 72-CC.
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