1923 s Unlisted Radial Die Break with photos

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Re: 1923 s Unlisted Radial Die Break with photos

Post by RogerRock » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:39 pm

colwillys wrote:
Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:20 pm
RogerRock Dr. Close has my 1923-S VAM 1AG and 2 that look the same . I will keep up date
on the VAM . .
Thanks Tom. The radial die break on reverse from rim across C (PEACE) deserves mention within the VAM heading description. IMO
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Re: 1923 s Unlisted Radial Die Break with photos

Post by davidkclose » Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:14 am

Most 1923S dollars are poorly stuck, hence the huge price jump between MS 64 & MS 65.
Your coin has an obverse rim cud above R of LIBERTY, indicating that it a very scarce LDS specimen.
I would like to see the discovery coin for VAM 1AG to see if it has the die crack - the difference being a revision vs a new subvariety listing.

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Re: 1923 s Unlisted Radial Die Break with photos

Post by RogerRock » Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:16 pm

davidkclose wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:14 am
Most 1923S dollars are poorly stuck, hence the huge price jump between MS 64 & MS 65.
Your coin has an obverse rim cud above R of LIBERTY, indicating that it a very scarce LDS specimen.
I would like to see the discovery coin for VAM 1AG to see if it has the die crack - the difference being a revision vs a new subvariety listing.
Searching my inventory turned up another 1923 S VAM 1AG in an ANACS holder 5419001 graded MS 63 .
This specimen displays weak die crack at C (PEACE) visible only under a loupe and normal, intact rim above R of LIBERTY. Would this earlier die stage help on the revision/new subvariety listing possibility?
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Re: 1923 s Unlisted Radial Die Break with photos

Post by Albannach » Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:42 pm

That’s close to what he’s looking for yes
Please post pics of all the cracks
Are there 2 discernible clashes still?

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Re: 1923 s Unlisted Radial Die Break with photos

Post by RogerRock » Fri Jun 16, 2023 1:25 am

RogerRock wrote:
Wed Jun 07, 2023 6:27 pm
ANACS reported their grade and label on this specimen today 6-7-23 as 1923 s VAM 1AG WEAKLY STRUCK AU 55

I would disagree with the "WEAKLY STRUCK" description. In fact, weak strikes are caused by insufficient die approximation and abnormally low ram pressure. Reeding will be weak/absent from a weak strike. Design rim will be incomplete/absent from a weak strike. The edge will be weakly struck and narrow from a weak strike. Obviously, as above photos illustrate, this specimen does not have weak/absent reeding or incomplete/absent design rim or a weak narrow edge. Furthermore, peripheral design lettering, radial die break, etc. exhibit above average definition in details !!

Comments welcome concerning the nature of the striking error on this 1923 s VAM 1AG Peace Dollar.
ANACS information concerning the label on this 1923 S VAM 1AG AU 55 sent to me over the internet has proven to be INCORRECT. In fact, after picking up my order today 6-15-23, the ACTUAL LABEL reads 1923 S VAM 1AG AU 55 STRUCK THRU GREASE.

It should be noted that I previously described this striking error as STRUCK THRU GREASE on my submission form and during this forum discussion.
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Re: 1923 s Unlisted Radial Die Break with photos

Post by pup_picker » Fri Jun 16, 2023 7:17 pm

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can't tell from the image but is it a partial collar?
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Re: 1923 s Unlisted Radial Die Break with photos

Post by RogerRock » Fri Jun 16, 2023 7:28 pm

No
The rim and reeding is normal on this Peace Dollar. Peace dollars usually show a more pronounced shoulder and narrow reeding centered on the edge.
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