Striation lines, are these PMD?

[Geseas]

Does it weight a hair more, or less than spec? I'll Guess its not bad IMO , in answer to your question . But it wont get a new VAM number .What say you @vampicker , same as JB ????. Afraid this is going to take more study than just a simple google search will accommodate , to have a better self understanding of for me .

Hey Bob,
That is a good question about the weight thing. It wouldn't be very much. A lot less than what could be accurately measured, at the time? I bet RWB knows the accuracy of those scales back then. I think it would be less weighty.


Dr.Close's example with a Peace dollar I think may be = to the spec., cus it's in the die.


1922 S VAM 1S:

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Now that this discussion is on page 2, it may be ok to mention your recent GC purchase, the one with striation lines you mentioned above.
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I have a discussion also on this striation business that has JB scratching his head!

I will get to it after your example.

Enjoy your Memorial Day

[UNCLE BINGO]

Hi G ,
Gonna have to poach Ian's LFCP picture from the sale . So if I read the license here right , Here we go . LFCP courtesy of Great Collections , and the link cause i didn't buy the picture, just what I would consider a pretty good example of struck on a striated planchet .https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1 ... S-64-Toned

I figured an 1884 CC Vam 2 was pretty common , but not so much stuck on this blank so I bought it cause it was just pretty enough and unique enough to me to not just be the same old, same old MS 64 .....

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like almost every part of the field , device's etc, even inside the ear the lines show up looking like road rash that doesn't count against the grade , every thing except inside those 8's . , must have had way to much metal moving around to still be in there after striking I guess .

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I keep getting schooled on planchet flaws on this web site so at least I'm learning something
Any way along comes @demetri with this coin of his and I just got all caught up about the insides of his 8's , then Dr. close shows a peace dollar that looks a lot like D's coin and not so much like mine so maybe the visual confusion is justified for my silly novice self . Thanks for playing

[UNCLE BINGO]

And I have to amend the post i can see the lines in my first 8 so ,,,, my bad

[demetri]

And I have to amend the post i can see the lines in my first 8 so ,,,, my bad

Wow that is some wicked planchet striae.

Thanks to all for the planchet lesson, it is invaluable. There are so many great minds here at vamworld and I appreciate the hard work involved with keeping things straight. Whomever is responsible for setting up the 1921P deserves a medal and a day in honor, Geez its mind boggling. Reading through old post about mint process and the record keeping is amazing. Kudos for all that actually go get these items. It is part of our history and I for one am glad it was saved. So thank you to all, Im sure it was a group effort, I see the same names over and over....

I was going to send the coin back but have decided to keep it...... I agree with john, it is not something to chase, but this pattern is just enough and hardly noticed.

[UNCLE BINGO]

@Geseas
I guess it's your turn now G

[Geseas]

Thank you Bob.

That's a great 1884 CC VAM-2. I notice it has some striation lines on the Reverse also. You got it for a fair price and most importantly, you like it. I believe it will be a nice addition to your collection.

The coin I have is an 1879-S. I have attributed it as a VAM-12. On the Rev. around the left star are some striations. Here is a photograph:

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This coin has been looked at on Vamworld. I called the striation lines in my thread a planchet error before anyone could even comment. Now I have changed my mind. Here is the link:
http://www.vamworld.com/forum/viewtopic ... eek#p53928

I have not given it a bath yet...

[UNCLE BINGO]

Nice Pictures !. So is the same strap pulling kinda thingie as Demetri's coin or something else. What is it called ? Cheese grader planchet? Or strap on gouges???

[Geseas]

Nice Pictures !. So is the same strap pulling kinda thingie as Demetri's coin or something else. What is it called ? Cheese grader planchet? Or strap on gouges???

Thanks for the compliment on my photos! It sure is a lot more fun attempting to take photos of a [better] coin.

I like that name 'strap on gouges'; I am rather sure of what would show -up with a google search

I did try this search: "Striation Band" or (something similar)...My point here; http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/Main/NeOr1900V21FRMG011417

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above photo comparing my 1879-S (Vam-12) to a 1900-O VAM-21F rmg_1900o_011417o.jpg

[UNCLE BINGO]

Unfortunately @g
I am not familiar enough with this to really make an educated guess . Interesting none the less

[Geseas]

Unfortunately @g
I am not familiar enough with this to really make an educated guess . Interesting none the less

I am not familiar with this either Bob. We are learning!

I do know one thing. It is fun taking pictures of coins and then sending them around the World...
(L hope you are not paying for this. It can't be cheap.)

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*note.. On that 1900 Vam-21F its C3I Reverse is defined by its vertical striated band (pictured in comparison photo.)IMO. It looks like those striations have been studied a bit...maybe a clue hidden there.

[Albannach]

Striations in planchet basically answered, but some additional reading here:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussio ... n-a-morgan

As far ast the recent pics and discussion…
I have seen some call those feed finger gouges. Planchet was “scratched” by the feed fingers directing it into the strike “pocket”. Generally 2 or 3 marks in a radial direction from rim into field.

Hope that helps

[Geseas]

Striations in planchet basically answered, but some additional reading here:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussio ... n-a-morgan

As far ast the recent pics and discussion…
I have seen some call those feed finger gouges. Planchet was “scratched” by the feed fingers directing it into the strike “pocket”. Generally 2 or 3 marks in a radial direction from rim into field.

Hope that helps

Thanks for the informative link Info. It sent me in many different directions.
That feeder finger business is interesting. Please correct me if I am wrong; but I am believing those feeder finger scratches/marks are actually in the working die. I guess they are very unreliable and unpredictable as a die marker, so I am told. Thanks for help

[Albannach]

Pop "Feed Finger" into the search, you'll find this:

http://www.vamworld.com/forum/search.ph ... eed+finger

and several more directions...Like this link...:

https://www.error-ref.com/peripheral-die-damage/

Looks like you may have found something to keep you up at night?

[Geseas]

Pop "Feed Finger" into the search, you'll find this:

http://www.vamworld.com/forum/search.ph ... eed+finger

and several more directions...Like this link...:

https://www.error-ref.com/peripheral-die-damage/


Looks like you may have found something to keep you up at night?

Yes indeed!

A great way to work on a problem for me; now that's assuming you don't have an early morning ahead of you...

I have 3 coins with feeder finger evidence... Their defects seem to 'wink' at you when tilted under a strong reflective light.

There is no winking on this 1879-S. A hub investigation for those striations may be interesting.

Great fun. Thanks for the links and your interest.

[UNCLE BINGO]

After many pages reading , I have feed finger gouges , feed finger scrapes , planchet striation. and a goggle search you don't wanna see for yourself ... Good luck @Geseas . As far as paying for stuff it all comes from someplace ... trying to decide if the last 14 are really worth the money cause chances are they wont be as pretty as that "Hot Mess" 84 cc

[Geseas]

Hey Bob, I am thinking I need to try and clarify my post above:

"Most of the coins I own and photograph are circulated and heavily worn. This 1879-S I photographed for this thread is a lot better than I am used to working with; making it more fun to photograph."

I need to work on communication skills. Thanks for your patience.

[UNCLE BINGO]

Or you're all good .The Morgan series gets really pricey towards the end . 1 of them is way out of hand expensive , then 3 of them just have lots of zeros for not very high quality , There is handful that run in the 500 dollar range for garbage grades . and depending on what you are willing to pay or settle for the rest are attainable . I can see why Cool VAM stuff is more appealing to the masses . not that any of this is cheap , but it might just be more fun in 2023