DO THESE PICTURES OF MY 1878 OF THE COTTON BOLLS AND LEAVES LOOK DOUBLED?

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DO THESE PICTURES OF MY 1878 OF THE COTTON BOLLS AND LEAVES LOOK DOUBLED?

Post by bhinkle » Sat Apr 01, 2023 2:21 am

Ever since I saw the 1878 VAM 115 posted here awhile back, I've been looking
through my 1878 Morgan's, looking for doubling.
This one is the only one, that I thought looked like doubling.
Can you tell if there is doubling on the cotton bolls and leaves?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you, Bert
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Re: DO THESE PICTURES OF MY 1878 OF THE COTTON BOLLS AND LEAVES LOOK DOUBLED?

Post by keilg1 » Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:10 am

I'd say a possible b/c these can be nuanced (in my humble opinion and based on a limited amount of experience). I have a couple different ones that show variability yet are attributed. Here are pictures as well as other PUPs to help nail down it being a 115 (assuming the reverse isn't for the 198!)
78PV115_7924_2x cotton bolls.jpg
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And a second coin that shows the additional PUPs to look for:
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Oh, heck, while I'm at it, here's an attributed 198 I have with the same obverse:
78PV198attrib5650_2x cotton bolls.jpg
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Hopefully my thougths will be supported by the experts...
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Re: DO THESE PICTURES OF MY 1878 OF THE COTTON BOLLS AND LEAVES LOOK DOUBLED?

Post by Jodemyer » Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:44 pm

It looks like doubling to me especially the beginning of the cap fold but I am def not one of the experts @keilg1 was talking about! :lol: :lol: :lol: I am curious as well :popcorn:

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Re: DO THESE PICTURES OF MY 1878 OF THE COTTON BOLLS AND LEAVES LOOK DOUBLED?

Post by keilg1 » Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:57 pm

Look closely at the T (LIBERTY) and the stars (especially first 2 on the right)... that is, if you think you have a 115/198 as these help when the cotton bolls are not playing nicely.

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Re: DO THESE PICTURES OF MY 1878 OF THE COTTON BOLLS AND LEAVES LOOK DOUBLED?

Post by messydesk » Sat Apr 01, 2023 3:08 pm

I do see doubling on the bolls and leaves, as well as the fold of the cap, I think. The problem is that a lot of 78s have minor doubling all over the place. Look around the rest of the coin for other matches. Peripheral lettering on the obverse is quite useful.
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Re: DO THESE PICTURES OF MY 1878 OF THE COTTON BOLLS AND LEAVES LOOK DOUBLED?

Post by vampicker » Sat Apr 01, 2023 3:56 pm

All the 78 II/I obverse dies have doubling all over the place, some more so than others
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Re: DO THESE PICTURES OF MY 1878 OF THE COTTON BOLLS AND LEAVES LOOK DOUBLED?

Post by RogerB » Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:32 pm

"Cotton boll weevils" maybe ?
:)

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Post by keilg1 » Mon Apr 03, 2023 5:17 pm

RogerB wrote:
Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:32 pm
"Cotton boll weevils" maybe ?
:)
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Re: DO THESE PICTURES OF MY 1878 OF THE COTTON BOLLS AND LEAVES LOOK DOUBLED?

Post by vampicker » Mon Apr 03, 2023 7:03 pm

More like cotton boll evils
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Re: DO THESE PICTURES OF MY 1878 OF THE COTTON BOLLS AND LEAVES LOOK DOUBLED?

Post by Albannach » Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:27 pm

Roger forgot the hyphen.

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Post by RogerB » Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:42 pm

Boll weevils don't have hymens.....!

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Post by keilg1 » Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:24 pm

@bhinkle,

Are you happy what you started!? :lol: :P :D

(I am... the world needs more of this dialogue...)

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Re: DO THESE PICTURES OF MY 1878 OF THE COTTON BOLLS AND LEAVES LOOK DOUBLED?

Post by bhinkle » Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:18 pm

keilg1
Gary, I would have been ALOT HAPPIER, if you hadn't posted all of your pictures on my post above,
where I was trying to find out, if any of MY PICTURES, of my 1878, showed any doubling.
'FIRST SET OF PICTURES'
Why didn't you start you own post, with all of your pictures, instead of having members think you did?
No one commented on my pictures, on MY POST.

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Post by Jodemyer » Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:15 pm

@bhinkle I was talking about your post It looks doubled to me especially the cap fold but, as I stated earlier I am no expert but I enjoy trying to figure it out and I enjoy your posts

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Post by keilg1 » Wed Apr 12, 2023 2:55 am

My profoundest apologies as I did not mean any disrespect or to cause any problems. I'm sorry I can't delete my additions. Please note I'll never reply to your posts in an inappropriate way again.

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Re: DO THESE PICTURES OF MY 1878 OF THE COTTON BOLLS AND LEAVES LOOK DOUBLED?

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Wed Apr 12, 2023 4:00 pm

Gary .if you really want to delete pictures . Its easy . Edit the post then open the attachments in the post . Then delete whatever picture file you want from the drop down menu . Its an edit not a delete . it's about all you can do after a post has been made after yours .
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Post by keilg1 » Wed Apr 12, 2023 5:08 pm

My hope was to show examples of verified doubling to help determine if the original pictures showed doubling.

As I read the post, many (me, Jodemyer, Messydesk, and Vampicker) replied to the original pictures so unsure how this was an example of "No one commented on my pictures".

Yes, unclebingo, I do know I can delete individual pictures but the text would remain and that would create more chaos as it'd be incomplete information that definitely wouldn't make sense to others finding this post in the future.

Again, my apologies...

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Re: DO THESE PICTURES OF MY 1878 OF THE COTTON BOLLS AND LEAVES LOOK DOUBLED?

Post by bhinkle » Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:57 pm

Gary, Okay no problem, I just saw all of your pictures and got distracted and maybe
misread all of the replies and thought they were referring to your pictures.
You had always helped me attribute my coins in the past.
At 79 now, but very healthy physically (knock on wood) this sometimes happens to me.
It is a nice warm sunny day today and I'm headed back into my woods, with my dog 'Sky'
and set and relax and listen to the birds sing and maybe see a deer or two.
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Post by UNCLE BINGO » Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:30 pm

Good looking pup Bert !
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Post by keilg1 » Thu Apr 13, 2023 11:16 pm

@bhinkle, my friend, no worries! We all have those days, for sure.

I'm thrilled to simply interact with all the interesting folks here - and learn a lot along the way. Not that I'm remembering most of it, but I'm trying.

Love the latest pictures - we're with a ton of snow and more on the way in the Rocky Mountains.

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