1886 VAM # ?

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blaircountycoin
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1886 VAM # ?

Post by blaircountycoin » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:34 pm

Hello VAM experts. I have an 1886 that I am having trouble matching up. I have enclosed pictures that aren’t the best, but the best I can capture. It seems to somewhat match up to 3A but has some extra markings. On the reverse it has a die crack starting at the rim and going through the wing to below the D in United, a small spike on the neck of the eagle, some polish lines between the neck and wing, also some polish lines between the leg and tail feathers. Any and all help would be appreciated. Thanks
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Re: 1886 VAM # ?

Post by lhnumis1 » Fri Mar 24, 2023 10:10 pm

I can't give an answer to your query, but, I can sort of rule out V3A. If you can examine the V3A webpage...look at the reverse of the large coin image...notice that the clash mark on the eagle's right wing emerges from the wing and proceeds upward to the right of the upright of the 'N' of 'IN'. In the image of your coin, it proceeds upward between the uprights of the 'N'. This is not conclusive, but is a strike against a match for the V3A. In addition the V3A doesn't exhibit the clash marks next to the 1st wing cluster which are evident on your coin. Also note that the V3A appears to have a far left setting from 'normal" position which you could compare with your CIH.

A good start might be to show an image of the date with a magnified image of the '1'. This would provide an indication of the 'near', 'normal' or 'far' position as well as an indication of a slanted date.
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Re: 1886 VAM # ?

Post by Vam-mysterio » Fri Mar 24, 2023 10:15 pm

Pictures of the date
Will help
Picture of the 1, 86
Challenge yourself,start doing your own date study!

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Re: 1886 VAM # ?

Post by blaircountycoin » Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:49 pm

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Re: 1886 VAM # ?

Post by Vam-mysterio » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:18 am

Full coin pictures would help
How does it compare to vam 1M
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Re: 1886 VAM # ?

Post by blaircountycoin » Sat Mar 25, 2023 4:48 am

I appreciate your help. I checked the 1m. The markers do not match up. The chip is missing from the hair strand behind the ear, and the N line is not in the correct position.

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Re: 1886 VAM # ?

Post by keilg1 » Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:38 am

Was thinking 1A1 based on the reverse clash line, but then saw the date. Don't see clear PUP in the 6 possibly ruling that out, unless it's there and not seen b/c of light and poor resolution of the picture. Unless there is letter transfer on the front it doesn't matter the clash lines on the back - it wouldn't count as a true clashed version of any variety.

Need to see if there is letter transfer, the clash line along the neck, hair vee.

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Re: 1886 VAM # ?

Post by blaircountycoin » Sat Mar 25, 2023 6:05 pm

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Re: 1886 VAM # ?

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Re: 1886 VAM # ?

Post by impairedsquirrel » Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:02 am

Have you checked the VAM-6 family?
I go totally NUTS for WOW! VAMs!! Or is that from WOW! VAMs?

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Re: 1886 VAM # ?

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:31 am

impairedsquirrel wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:02 am
Have you checked the VAM-6 family?
Hey that sounded like an EF Hutton comercial :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: 1886 VAM # ?

Post by blaircountycoin » Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:42 am

Thank you and thank you! I have been looking at the 6 family for hours. If anything it looks like the 6a. The only thing throwing me off was the die cracks on the wing and the polish lines between the leg and tail feather.

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Re: 1886 VAM # ?

Post by keilg1 » Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:17 am

Could have a high 6 making this a straight VAM-6, but there are problems assigning it anything more than that (6A, 6B).

First, the pictures don't help - they're not clear enough. Doesn't appear to be any letter transfer so it wouldn't be anything more than a VAM-6.

Next, and similar to possibly ruling out the 3 series that @lhnumis1 mentions below, although the neckline clash might line up to a VAM-6A/B type, the first clash of the 6A variant creates a line that goes from the eagle's wing up to the righthand side of the right verticle portion of the 'n' of 'In' (i.e., lateral) - yours goes to the lefthand side (i.e., medial). The 6B is a multiple clashed version that then has a medial clashline (in addition to the lateral/previous one) somewhat matching yours but you don't have the first clashline. All the 6Bs I've seen (and they're 'common as dirt' and in very high grades) almost always have significant cracks on the obverse (bonnet, left stars through the date, lower hair, etc.) and reverse (oF - wing - A(MER)).

Please remember: no letter transfer, no 'real' clash. Cracks can help as can scratches, but these characteristics do not constitute a new variety lising (not that you've implied that here).

Again, until there are clear pictures there won't be much progress to a solution (sorry).

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Re: 1886 VAM # ?

Post by hairfield1 » Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:08 pm

My vote is for the VAM-6B but clearer photos would help

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Re: 1886 VAM # ?

Post by blaircountycoin » Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:16 pm

Thanks for your help. I can rule out Cam 6 because of several things. No die cracks near the date on the obverse and no die cracks through the cap. Also as you pointed out only one line to N on the reverse. It also does not not have the raised bump under A of dollar. What throws me off is the die crack through the top of the right feather and the die polish lines between the left leg and tail feather. Also the placing of the line to the N. Very confusing.

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Re: 1886 VAM # ?

Post by blaircountycoin » Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:18 pm

And also the tick on the neck.

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