1879-S any chance there is a duplicate listing?

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1879-S any chance there is a duplicate listing?

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:33 am

So most likely just Plain Jane common , I got torn between two numbers and this might be a @fogie question , Is there any chance two of these could be a duplicate listing , maybe just different die states of the same pair?
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If not could someone please`try and help me understand the major differences ?
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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a dupilacte listing?

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:36 am

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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a dupilacte listing?

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:41 am

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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a dupilacte listing?

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:44 am

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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a duplicate listing?

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:34 am

Could not really convince my self that thing on the wreath is be a die gouge . maybe PMD ,, not sure ??. I kind of handicapped myself on purpose choosing a scope . I did not want to get carried away zooming in and irritating folks that said all you need is a 10X loupe ..... that may be true but my poor old eyes :lol:
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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a duplicate listing?

Post by Vam-mysterio » Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:53 am

You have a vam 18 or 18A
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Post by UNCLE BINGO » Thu Feb 02, 2023 3:05 am

Thank you for the reply , that is about as far as I got as well ... Just for fun I looked through all those pages in the list , trying to make sure and was more curious about the possibility of v38 and v122. being a duplicate .. I wondered what the major difference are because i could not decide using the VW pages ,, I mean what stets those two apart from each other ? different pairing or just what ?Thanks :popcorn:
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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a duplicate listing?

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Thu Feb 02, 2023 3:47 am

and please forgive me I should have said die chip not die gouge ,,, still just learning over here, not quite developed enough i guess
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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a duplicate listing?

Post by Vam-mysterio » Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:51 am

Vam 22 got delisted (is the same as vam 18)
Vam 18 ,vam 122 and vam 38 share the same reverse
(Along with a few others,as this is a very common reverse),
But ,
they have different obverses,
Btw ,vam 18 with a full die chip on reverse
Became vam 18B
There are examples of the vam 18 showing the beginning of a die crack /chip (pre vam 18B stage)which is probably what you have,
Also vam 38, vam 122 definitely have different obverses (take a look at RT of liberty on both)
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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a duplicate listing?

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:51 pm

Oh I think you may have solved my mystery. I know somewhere last week end I had wondered if two sets of what I was looking at might possibly be duplicates . I want to revisit this this weekend , after a little time with the scope . I could have been looking at v22 in this mix , having gotten there from a hyperlink instead of the big "Official" list . sorry I am super slammed for the next two days ,,, we have high stress going on at work and possibility of making mistakes that could be in the 7 figure range if things fall apart , so I cant play right now ..Thank you for the reply
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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a duplicate listing?

Post by fogie » Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:03 pm

Sorry - I have been "preoccupied" for a bit - I expect to be "back" sometime mid week and can look into this then.

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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a duplicate listing?

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:14 pm

It's all good , there is no die chip , that little thing on the wreath is in the wrong spot , So with v22 out and both v1Bb and v85 out of the running I will look more tomorrow at the obverses in the list as well, and try to figure out what it was for sure i was ever thinking . I may have had some confusion about two of the coins with the beveled field at the lips listed ... The multiple polish lines going at different angles on my coin may be why I even brought this question up . Obviously I need more practice, But thank you both very much for your patience in advance .
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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a duplicate listing?

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:56 am

I hope y'all don't think this think is stupid , this whole thing{with myself anyway } is just about one thing with me `. getting you folks to start talking again , because I already knew that was what was the very most important thing of all .... :popcorn:







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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a duplicate listing?

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:56 pm

Ok starting to understand why I thought this , IS VAM 38 really different from the 18's . here is my R from liberty next to the v38 photo
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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a duplicate listing?

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:02 pm

and here is a die marker for v 18 side by side
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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a duplicate listing?

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:38 pm

one more thanks for looking...
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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a duplicate listing?

Post by Vam-mysterio » Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:45 am

Just so I understand,
You already know you have a vam 18
But you’re posting pictures
Of your vam 18,
Just in case someone has a vam 18
And may think they have a vam 38?
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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a duplicate listing?

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:55 am

I"m just trying to understand this is all ya i know its a 18 probably 18 a , the question was, is it possible there is a duplicate listing in the pages ? other than maybe multiple polishing events they look to me like the same pairing . I would think if they were they should be listed like 18, 18 a, 18 b , 18c etc... I wont include v 27 because the 8s are sufficiently list-able separate IMHO If they are not the same I was wondering what the differences are ?
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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a duplicate listing?

Post by Vam-mysterio » Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:06 am

Hopefully this will help:
Per my 1879 s die study:
Vam 18,18A,18B is the same die ,(just diff die stages),the difference is:
Vam 18 came first (found usually ms and very reflective)
then vam 18A which shows overpolishing lines obverse
Then vam 18B which shows a die chip on wreath
(Fyi;this same rev of v18B was later paired with vam 85)
Now;vam 27,38,85,122,they all have this same reverse,but all of them have different obverses
Note:this reverse die sequence still requires further study ,
I will also note that vam 18B,85 came last in the sequence ,which later, this same reverse was used on an 1880 s die!(1880s vam 124)
I will gladly answer all your 1879 s questions
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Re: 1879-S any chance there is a duplicate listing?

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:18 am

Well if its a different obverse than i guess its not a duplicate . they sure do look alike , although I did notice some subtle differences in the polish lines in the cap band thing . It sure seems like this reverse was paired up way more than one might expect normal die life to be ....
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