1881o vam 50a/33a not

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1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by vamsterdam » Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:04 pm

I have a pci64 “vam 50a” that i rexamined and found it not to be. No die scrathes, die cracks, mm placement not a match, and then i found another but sunday. N st position appears to be the same and both show part of the I. Leaf(wreath) clash behind head is prettmuch like the 33a picture. I was told some time ago that my pci coin was a vam 50a and i left it at that. I will have to see if i can get any pictures. My laptop is still gasping it’s last gasp, and my camera is getting pretty ancient. Gonna have to do something about that very soon.

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by vamsterdam » Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:05 pm

And even though it seems to be a later die state, it has no cracks at all.

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by vamsterdam » Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:58 pm

Pictures are downloading. Very old and slow laptop and camera. Will post them today. Hopefully someone can help me figure it out.

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by ljs123 » Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:41 pm

vamsterdam wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:58 pm
Pictures are downloading. Very old and slow laptop and camera. Will post them today. Hopefully someone can help me figure it out.
Wow, Brian not knowing the VAM.
This should be interesting.
Looking forward to seeing the photos

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by vamsterdam » Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:24 pm

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by vamsterdam » Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:26 pm

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by vamsterdam » Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:28 pm

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by vamsterdam » Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:31 pm

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] i forgot to shoot the (I)N clash

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by vamsterdam » Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:32 pm

i did it! i posted pictures without help after not posting any since last year! see, even a dinosaur like me can do it!

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by vamsterdam » Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:58 pm

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by vamsterdam » Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:59 pm

i will do better with cropping and resizing. please, give me your thoughts on this one.

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by vamsterdam » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:01 pm

@HawkeEye your thoughts?

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by vamsterdam » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:02 pm

@ljs123 here we are!

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by Unc90o » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:31 pm

Brian, I think yours is VAM-50A. Is there a tiny patch of rust/pittings by 1st L of DOLLAR on yours?

Also, VAM-50A mintmark is higher than VAM-33B. Clashing looks almost identical, but definitely different location. Just compare the clashed marking at back of the hair/cap.

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by impairedsquirrel » Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:04 pm

Really racking (wracking?) my memory here, but does your coin have the rim "cudlings"? If memory serves, they are on the obverse and I've never seen a 50a without them...
As far as clash strength goes, the 33b is a completely different animal than 50a...
I go totally NUTS for WOW! VAMs!! Or is that from WOW! VAMs?

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by vamsterdam » Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:14 am

no rim "cuddlings, no chip in upper left inside loop of first 8. no rust LL, the cracks and the die scratches don't match. and 33a doesn't exist< i am confused.

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by ljs123 » Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:29 am

Could it be 1i

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by Mhomei » Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:39 am

I do believe ths is the coin on the V1C page,

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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by HawkeEye » Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:16 pm

Sorry to be so slow but I am knee deep in my other project and not checking here as often as I should

As I have been cautioned over the years by JB and others, with a powerful enough microscope you can find so many things that you drive yourself crazy

There are 27 of these on the web site ranging from VF20 to MS64, so plenty of material http://www.1881o.com/50a.html

The clashes are easy, particularly the one under the eagle's neck

Often the clashes at the hair vary in degree

The other clashes are usually identifiable without too much effort

The two die gouges in the first L of DOLLAR are not always easily identified

I often like to verify these with the die crack analysis, but I found none on mint state coins in my collection
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Re: 1881o vam 50a/33a not

Post by vamsterdam » Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:09 pm

@HawkeEye one of mine has the die gouges at L, the other does not. due to other markers, they are from the same die pair though.

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