1878 7/8TF Attribution Help Needed, Please (ANSWERED - VAM 38)

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1878 7/8TF Attribution Help Needed, Please (ANSWERED - VAM 38)

Post by Raybob15239 » Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:17 pm

Recently picked up an 1878 7/8TF in a Fleabay auction. It arrived in today's mail. The coin is an 7/8 TF, but I am having trouble matching it to the existing VAMs. Sorry for the lousy pics. Used a 10x loupe held against my cell phone camera.

Here's the tail feathers:
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Here are the wings. There is an over polished area on the left wing:
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The motto is doubled as well:
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On the obverse, there is extreme doubling of LIBERTY and the doubling/tripling of the bolls:
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Re: 1878 7/8TF Attribution Help Needed, Please

Post by Raybob15239 » Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:19 pm

Continuing with the doubling on Liberty and the bolls:
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Re: 1878 7/8TF Attribution Help Needed, Please

Post by Raybob15239 » Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:20 pm

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Re: 1878 7/8TF Attribution Help Needed, Please

Post by ljs123 » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:06 pm

Could it be 38?

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Re: 1878 7/8TF Attribution Help Needed, Please

Post by hairfield1 » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:24 pm

Looks like a 38 to me Lee

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Re: 1878 7/8TF Attribution Help Needed, Please

Post by morganman » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:26 pm

Pics are tough but your doubling of bolls statement lends toward v 33
Not great at 7/8 attrib so just a shot
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Re: 1878 7/8TF Attribution Help Needed, Please

Post by Raybob15239 » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:55 pm

Thanks. I had ruled out 33 as none of the other attributes of 33 are present. 38 is a strong possibility, as there are many attributes of the obverse matching. Some differences on the reverse, though. (Probably a stage of 38.)
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Re: 1878 7/8TF Attribution Help Needed, Please

Post by vampicker » Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:57 pm

Look for a teardrop shaped die scratch at the back of the eye. It's a one and done marker for 38
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Re: 1878 7/8TF Attribution Help Needed, Please

Post by keilg1 » Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:24 pm

All the attributes/PUPs of the 38 are seen to my eye but not those of the 33. My vote is officially in and awaits confirmation from the more experienced voices...

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Re: 1878 7/8TF Attribution Help Needed, Please

Post by messydesk » Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:16 am

Looks like 38 from here.
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Re: 1878 7/8TF Attribution Help Needed, Please

Post by Raybob15239 » Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:43 pm

Thanks, everyone. Got it home last night under the scope (much better than a poor quality, Chinese 10x loupe). Teardrop is there (thank you JR!). VAM 38 it is, and one that I did not have, so a good pick-up on the 'Bay.

One last question for JB and JR, the die chip on the 8; is that something or just die poop?
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Re: 1878 7/8TF Attribution Help Needed, Please

Post by morganman » Tue Oct 04, 2022 3:18 pm

Although common in vam circles vam 38 is cool and really loved by collectors, hence
value has increased quite a bit which surprises me due to mkt conditions the last few yrs
I actively buy em when decently priced, as they have proven good value
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Re: 1878 7/8TF Attribution Help Needed, Please

Post by Raybob15239 » Tue Oct 04, 2022 6:23 pm

@morganman , just curious; what are these going for these days? I picked this up for $102 (bidding went high in the last minute and I had placed a nuclear bid (it was listed as a 7TF, not a 7/8; apparently a couple of others picked up on it being a 7/8).
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Re: 1878 7/8TF Attribution Help Needed, Please

Post by vampicker » Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:52 pm

Yeah, the thing on the 8 is die poop like you thought. VAM 38 isn't rare by any measure, but there's a lot going on. Great variety to look at
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Re: 1878 7/8TF Attribution Help Needed, Please

Post by Raybob15239 » Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:04 pm

@vampicker, turns out, it's not even die poop. Got it under the scope and it's PMD.
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Re: 1878 7/8TF Attribution Help Needed, Please (ANSWERED - VAM 38)

Post by vampicker » Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:52 pm

Post die poop!
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