1878 7TF Minor Renumbering

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1878 7TF Minor Renumbering

Post by messydesk » Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:39 am

In the interest of getting rid of the "Die 1/Die 2" notation, a couple 78 7TFs have been renumbered.

VAM 140.1 is now VAM 140. The clashed die stage is still VAM 140A.
VAM 140.2 is now VAM 147, as it uses a different reverse die.

VAM 114.1 is now VAM 124, as it uses a different reverse die from VAM 114
VAM 114.2 is now VAM 114. The clashed die stage is still VAM 114A.

Other similar changes may be forthcoming where feasible and meaningful.
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Re: 1878 7TF Minor Renumbering

Post by vamnuke » Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:15 am

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Re: 1878 7TF Minor Renumbering

Post by Mike7E » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:48 pm

I agree! Using the same number for different die pairs since they have a common attribute, like "Low Date" is confusing at best for newcomers and sometimes frustrating for those that have been at this for years. It also doesn't help to determine population and often ignores some very interesting die conditions.
Thanks for the extra effort

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Re: 1878 7TF Minor Renumbering

Post by dave700x » Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:07 pm

Great work JB! Any plans for VAM-45? :lol:
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Re: 1878 7TF Minor Renumbering

Post by messydesk » Wed Aug 17, 2022 4:05 pm

dave700x wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:07 pm
Great work JB! Any plans for VAM-45? :lol:
If you're referring to 1902-O VAM 45, I'm inclined to leave that alone for the foreseeable future. The description of VAM 45 is rather non-descript, and in these cases it's probably best just to leave well enough alone (doesn't pass the meaningful test I mentioned earlier). Other cases that may be touchy are list coins that are recognized by PCGS and NGC -- 78 VAM 100 is the first the comes to mind. In my mind, 100.1 should become VAM 101, but I'd need buy-in from the list creators and the TPGs to make sure everyone's on board and it goes smoothly. The ugliness that is VAM 130C1 Die 1 and 2 doesn't need that level of coordination.

Regardless of the changes made, all VW pages with the old numbers will link refer to or immediately redirect to the pages with new numbers, and all pages with new numbers will refer to the former numbers. No old numbers will be reused to mean something new.
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Re: 1878 7TF Minor Renumbering

Post by shortnock » Wed Aug 17, 2022 4:56 pm

Thanks for the information and for the dedicated work of those responsible.
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Re: 1878 7TF Minor Renumbering

Post by vamnuke » Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:30 pm

…also, to me the plain V131 (proof only) and unrelated V131 die 1 never made sense with others denoted as A, B, C. Yes, 130 is a debacle, and I maintain the middle 130C2 does not exist; discovery is really a C3…

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Re: 1878 7TF Minor Renumbering

Post by dave700x » Thu Aug 18, 2022 1:33 am

If you're referring to 1902-O VAM 45, I'm inclined to leave that alone for the foreseeable future.
That's the one. My head spins every time I scroll through this one...
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Re: 1878 7TF Minor Renumbering

Post by mark » Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:10 pm

Will the registry be updated soon as well? Will the current 140.2s be automatically moved to 147 or will we need to go in and update?

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Re: 1878 7TF Minor Renumbering

Post by mark » Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:59 am

147 has not been changed in the registry. @fogie @alefzero

VAM 140.2 is now VAM 147, as it uses a different reverse die.

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Re: 1878 7TF Minor Renumbering

Post by fogie » Sun Sep 04, 2022 1:35 am

The SSDC registry has been altered to reflect the changes made to the numbering.

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