having fun with LDS 1921-Ds

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DHalladay
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having fun with LDS 1921-Ds

Post by DHalladay » Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:20 pm

Heaven help me, I’ve started looking at 1921-D Morgans more closely. About 10 days ago a group of 5 certified circulated coins went up on eBay. Marking it to watch triggered a discount offer from the seller that got me to bite, and now they’re mine.

They’ve been fun to photograph scribbles that will be added to the Scribbles Guide, and I’ve found some interesting cuds, cracks, die chips and gouges that aren’t shown or mentioned on their respective attribution pages. Here’s what I have:

1921-D VAM 1AH LDS PCGS AU55 die chip in denticles below LAR
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The chip is pretty big, and it's fun to see where the crack through AR started. It was also fun to see doubling (tripling?) on the R. But it was not so fun to see several bright green specks of PVC. It also has the raised field above the 1st S in STATES that is mentioned on the attribution page.


1921-D VAM 1AJ LDS PCGS AU58 unlisted LDS crack through OF and gouge through US
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The diagonal gouge from O to F made this coin easy to attribute. The crack in the opposite direction that goes through the wing and into the top of the right wreath makes a bold X, but isn’t shown or mentioned on the attribution page, is a fun bonus. The attribution page mentions that a gouge through US in TRUST is known, and now here’s a photo that shows it.


1921-D VAM 1B1 LDS NGC XF40 cud below LLA
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The cap is fat and full on this LDS coin that looks overgraded to me. Once I got my light in the right position the cud below LLA really stood out.


1921-D VAM 1R PCGS XF45 cud above TAT
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Another coin I assumed was LDS because of the cud and bold cracks, but the lump of metal on the 2nd T that is shown on the attribution page hasn’t formed yet. Or is the coin on the page actually a VLDS?


1921-D VAM 4 LDS PCGS AU50 die chip above AM and on M
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I knew from the seller’s photo that there was something going on with the top of the M, but I had no idea how big it was until I took some photos. Compared to the attribution page coin, this is obviously a much more LDS example.
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Re: having fun with LDS 1921-Ds

Post by vamnuke » Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:27 pm

8-)

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Re: having fun with LDS 1921-Ds

Post by fogie » Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:55 pm

Outstanding!!!!

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Re: having fun with LDS 1921-Ds

Post by RogerRock » Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:45 pm

Nice pickup on LDS 1921 Denver mint Morgans. Your VAM 1B1 shows displaced field die break below LA (not a cud). Remember a retained cud must display break that is rim to rim.

Your Vam 1R also shows displaced field die break above TAT.

Last VAM pictured looks like 4A.

Dennis, good to see your interest in 1921 D Morgan $ die breaks. Happy Hunting !
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Re: having fun with LDS 1921-Ds

Post by DHalladay » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:07 am

Roger:
Thanks very much for your input!
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Re: having fun with LDS 1921-Ds

Post by messydesk » Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:07 am

"Having Fun with LDS 1921-Ds" is the longer, more awkward title of the book, after all.
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Re: having fun with LDS 1921-Ds

Post by DHalladay » Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:21 pm

Also on this VAM 4A is a snake-like crack that I am massively enamored with. Besides being thick, it is the tallest crack I have ever seen on a Morgan dollar – it's as tall as the denticles! Surely this part of the reverse die must have been about to fracture off?

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Re: having fun with LDS 1921-Ds

Post by vamnuke » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:13 pm

:shock:

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Re: having fun with LDS 1921-Ds

Post by alefzero » Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:34 am

Some of those look very familiar. I must have sold my 1AJ as I do not see it around to examine.

So, Dennis, when did you sneak over to the Denver ones?

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Re: having fun with LDS 1921-Ds

Post by DHalladay » Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:44 pm

alefzero wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:34 am
So, Dennis, when did you sneak over to the Denver ones?
I'm not totally sure I have yet John. A couple of the good ones have fallen into my lap this year, and I've bought a few others (XF-AU) because they were cheap and looked interesting. I've definitely started to take peeks at them, and they're a lot of fun to photograph, but so far my self-control is working. If it breaks down, though, I'll likely go for XFs-AUs rather than MS for affordability sake.
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Re: having fun with LDS 1921-Ds

Post by vamnuke » Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:42 pm

Dennis, go for the gusto ahead and take the plunge - complete the entire 1921 PDS die variety set! :roll:

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