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Maybe. Zero listed as PL in the SSDC registry

It's 3 and 3. That center mark in the bottom cluster is a hit with some truly deceptive placement. Still, the 3 and 3 stage is a nice find

If the obverse markers aren't a match, it CAN NOT be a VAM 23 - period. And you know this. But if you do find any other stages related to this progression, I'd be interested in seeing them. And you dodged the question yet again. Very different things happened with similar events throughout this leng...

You have presented many facts. But when questioned about their relevance to the subject at hand, you repeat yourself and don't actually answer. I'd accuse you of circular argument, but that implies something more cohesive than anything you've presented. In all of this, I've asked repeatedly for an a...

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Sun Aug 14, 2022 5:14 pm

Oh boy, here we go again, just keep ignoring the facts. Close the front door.

A perfect summation of your diatribe. But I agree with you, let's close this door

Yeah, I used to think this was kind of rare, but it's not hard to find circulated examples. It turns out the pre-clash VAM 7 is much harder to find. But this is still fairly described as rare in mint state. 63 ties the top pop in the SSDC registry. I'd estimate it would bring at least $200 over comm...

I call BS on that. Downing's letter is a solution for an unrelated die issue. Proper softening of planchets prior to striking is a remedy for premature die breakage. How would softer planchets in any way fix the oddity seen on the VAM 23A/B obverse? Nothing in your detailed progression explains the ...

The exercise I suggested may seem pointless, but it is worth doing. It makes the RPM's stick out more and helps sort some of the more deceptive forms of post mint damage from actual variety characteristics.
No one enters this field as an expert, even when they possess expertise elsewhere.

Maybe it would be a worthwhile exercise to look at other examples of this date and the year before and compare multiple mint marks to this coin. You might find they all exactly conform to the same style. There's a good book on Morgan and Peace Dollar varieties that shows all of the known mintmark st...

I'm always game for mint records

Ok, I'll rethink the Barber letter. Seems like a detour off topic. How is a planchet issue in any way relevant to the 89 Philly issue under discussion?

So you think this is all due to planchets being 'off'?

that's worth two okeydokeys

okeydokey

What the hell - you keep droning on about me calling 23B rare. I did not say that ever. "Scarce at best' is not rare. I did say the 23B is harder to find than the later stages of 7B. I'm sure some of your pieces in the more greatly detailed micro progression are harder to find than other but so what...

Back to this thread and Barber's letter. He states the problem that occurs periodically at the branch mints isn't that there's something wrong with the die steel. It is caused by improper hardening of the dies. He goes on to say he won't try to remedy this by written instruction, thinking it better ...

I've made my arguments and Wayne has misrepresented or ignored them repeatedly. I've repeatedly asked him for his explanation since he's never accepted mine even when the evidence presented supports it. I stand by my theory but would welcome further discussion from anyone else. It's clear you will n...

I'd liken it to the difference between banging around in a cigar box as 'old stuff' vs being passed from hand to hand in commerce. Mar the surface enough and you really can't/shouldn't call it mint state

The utter absurdity of all this meandering argument with no conclusion from you is that I did 'read' the dies and it was studying the VAM 7B that cemented the 'softer than normal' die theory. Massive clash after massive clash -and yes- note how little has changed on the reverse. That's the point. Th...

I'll try to remember to bring a VAM 43 with me to the ANA