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by vampicker
Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:46 am
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: What is the correct term?
Replies: 38
Views: 605

Re: What is the correct term?

What the hell - you keep droning on about me calling 23B rare. I did not say that ever. "Scarce at best' is not rare. I did say the 23B is harder to find than the later stages of 7B. I'm sure some of your pieces in the more greatly detailed micro progression are harder to find than other but so what...
by vampicker
Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:06 am
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: New take on 1889 VAM 23A
Replies: 58
Views: 18354

Re: New take on 1889 VAM 23A

Back to this thread and Barber's letter. He states the problem that occurs periodically at the branch mints isn't that there's something wrong with the die steel. It is caused by improper hardening of the dies. He goes on to say he won't try to remedy this by written instruction, thinking it better ...
by vampicker
Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:05 am
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: What is the correct term?
Replies: 38
Views: 605

Re: What is the correct term?

I've made my arguments and Wayne has misrepresented or ignored them repeatedly. I've repeatedly asked him for his explanation since he's never accepted mine even when the evidence presented supports it. I stand by my theory but would welcome further discussion from anyone else. It's clear you will n...
by vampicker
Wed Aug 10, 2022 2:15 pm
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: can an AU55 coin be PROOF LIKE
Replies: 27
Views: 230

Re: can an AU55 coin be PROOF LIKE

I'd liken it to the difference between banging around in a cigar box as 'old stuff' vs being passed from hand to hand in commerce. Mar the surface enough and you really can't/shouldn't call it mint state
by vampicker
Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:28 am
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: What is the correct term?
Replies: 38
Views: 605

Re: What is the correct term?

The utter absurdity of all this meandering argument with no conclusion from you is that I did 'read' the dies and it was studying the VAM 7B that cemented the 'softer than normal' die theory. Massive clash after massive clash -and yes- note how little has changed on the reverse. That's the point. Th...
by vampicker
Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:18 am
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: 1878-S VAM-96
Replies: 19
Views: 332

Re: 1878-S VAM-96

I'll try to remember to bring a VAM 43 with me to the ANA
by vampicker
Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:14 am
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: What is the correct term?
Replies: 38
Views: 605

Re: What is the correct term?

Congratulations on all the collecting. So what does it mean since you have all this information in hand? Why does the the VAM 23 obverse behave so differently than the VAM 7 pieces in the sequence?
by vampicker
Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:25 am
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: What is the correct term?
Replies: 38
Views: 605

Re: What is the correct term?

The progression I laid out in September 2020 is virtually identical. This is a fact borne out by my letter to Van Allen - see the other thread on this subject. You do deserve credit for finding a couple of stages I predicted but didn't have in hand. The added stages do not change the story, they act...
by vampicker
Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:33 pm
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: garroted eagle
Replies: 6
Views: 134

Re: garroted eagle

Either way, it's a dirty bird
by vampicker
Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:21 pm
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: What is the correct term?
Replies: 38
Views: 605

Re: What is the correct term?

When you did your research, we did not have the 1889-P VAM-7B1 and VAM-7B2. In addition, all of the VAM listings have been revised and new ones created. If you are not willing to do due diligence and let the reverse die talk to you then you will never find out what you missed. The facts are there......
by vampicker
Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:29 pm
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: New take on 1889 VAM 23A
Replies: 58
Views: 18354

Re: New take on 1889 VAM 23A

Bumping this thread as the arguing continues
by vampicker
Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:03 pm
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: What is the correct term?
Replies: 38
Views: 605

Re: What is the correct term?

That is EXACTLY what I did and the 'softer than normal obverse' is what I found as the most likely explanation. You already know I've looked at the various stages in hand at length. I'm hard pressed to see an actual conclusion from you beyond repeatedly saying I'm wrong. I'll repeat my question sinc...
by vampicker
Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:49 am
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: What is the correct term?
Replies: 38
Views: 605

Re: What is the correct term?

I'll ask again - why did the obverse and reverse react differently? If you can't or won't answer, then this discussion is pointless
by vampicker
Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:18 am
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: What is the correct term?
Replies: 38
Views: 605

Re: What is the correct term?

You can not actually know the number of coins struck by this die - the best you can do is make a guess based on apparent scarcity. The VAM 23A is legitimately rare, while the various stages of VAM 23B are scarce at best. It is clear they are harder to find than many other 89 varieties. I do not acce...
by vampicker
Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:58 pm
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: What is the correct term?
Replies: 38
Views: 605

Re: What is the correct term?

I recall a presentation messydesk did at VAM Thing a couple of years ago on 81-O varieties. He had found a mint die usage log with pieces struck and some dies noted with a reason for retirement. One specifically got pulled from use for being "too soft". Go figure that there's a variety that looks li...
by vampicker
Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:23 pm
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: What is the correct term?
Replies: 38
Views: 605

Re: What is the correct term?

How you you possibly think there are no cracks on that obverse? What do you call that honking thing at the point of the neck? What about the big chunks at the bases of multiple letters? Is average die life even relevant? Die this die come anywhere close to that average? How about when compared to th...
by vampicker
Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:15 pm
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: What is the correct term?
Replies: 38
Views: 605

Re: What is the correct term?

Improperly hardened is not the same thing as not hardened. Van Allen's theory was that they accidentally skipped the hardening step. My contention has always been that for whatever reason this particular die was weaker than normal. That is not the same thing as Leroy's theory. You said several times...
by vampicker
Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:54 pm
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: What is the correct term?
Replies: 38
Views: 605

Re: What is the correct term?

It's not polish. None of the dies in question started out looking like this. This weird surface progressively appears during use. In the case of the 23A/23B obverse it occurs more than once. It got polished away with the 23A clash then came back
by vampicker
Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:29 am
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: What is the correct term?
Replies: 38
Views: 605

Re: What is the correct term?

So what other plausible cause is there for the clearly atypical clashing and erosion this obverse experienced? How do you known an improperly hardened die can't strike a bunch of coins? The theory (and yes, it is a theory) about a clash involving a softer than normal die is a possible explanation fo...
by vampicker
Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:55 pm
Forum: Discussion Forum
Topic: 1878-S VAM-96
Replies: 19
Views: 332

Re: 1878-S VAM-96

Took the liberty of adjusting color and lighting and blowing up the Y from the piece in question