VAMWorld 2.0

It all depends on perspective. It seems when I try to help, some take it well and some don't.

Hey Unc, not sure what you are talking about. I usually just say whats on my mind and cut to the chase with VAM questions when I can.

The 1891-CC series has been reviewed exhaustively. When that is the case, it is best to put the coin aside and follow expert advice. Put a little white sticker on it and label it VAM-3 and move on.

You have that correct. Usually happens on Dennis' 21 photos, and that is real, not a cut. For some reason his photos, sometimes, makes my brain wacko. But he does take great photos.

I do not have the coin in hand. The angle of the lighting in the photo may have gotten me. I do suffer from dyslexia occasionally.

It seems some folks just can't take the info provided, nor find a way to at least partially help themselves. You have had the 3 folks that know the 78-S VAMs like the back of their own hands. They have tried to help you, and several have asked for photos. which are non-existent from you. My comment ...

Thanks to all for the replies. I appreciate putting this to bed so quickly. To JB's point, apparently multiple appearances of the same coin is what got me. Must be occluded gas bubbles in the planchet. But regardless, your replies kept me from an even wilder goose chase.

Just checking. If anyone has a 85-S VAM-6, can you check the reverse upper tail feathers and see if your coin has the same "dots"? They look raised to me which means they are incuse on the die, and could be spaced the same as denticles, i.e., denticle impressions. I might add they are repeatable on ...

Let me try and help for once. What I do is look for die pairs, not VAMs. I try to identify the different obverse and reverse dies used, and different die pairs, some of which share dies with different die pairs. So while I am NOT trying to find examples of listed VAMs, a natural outcome is to see if...

Then it's settled. All coins posted are now new discoverys.

Dennis, seems like we agree.

You are free of course to post it here and ask for help. That is what this site is about. But immediately jumping to the "D" word is what gets me. I can buck it up, but I have been around the block a lot more times than you have. Enjoy this hobby and ignore folks like me if you choose.

Why is it that everything with new comers seems to be a new discovery? I encourage enthusiasm, but get tired of the constant "discovery?" question.

I kept this coin to go along with my H10 Scarface when I liquidated everything else about a year ago. Wanted the pair.

In the past, we pushed the idea of folks NOT posting pics of coins they do not have in hand. Many time once you get it, things look different. I would not be surprised if what you show in someone else's photo isn't holder reflection poop.

Okay, so I will say the obvious. If your coin has XYZ PUPS that match the posted photos for a certain VAM, but has other "thingies" with no photos, that does not make it a new VAM. I have said this recently, if it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it's a duck.

A fine and often subjective balance between listable and non-listable attributes. Thankfully, our lovely guides and experts have helped make it as clear as possible - in the big book, at http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... m/wiki/VAM and http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... bution_10...

Whether the reverse is rotated, or the obverse, is a matter of mind set, it could be either. There is a link to list of rotated Morgan dollar varieties on the Home page. But here is a link.

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... tated_Dies

Remember that one person 's PUP is another person 's die poop.

I don't have many left, but saved this one.